34 minutes ago, EloyJenkins said:

why? that horse is beat to s%*#. 

Honestly, hadn’t been on Soxtalk most of the day and saw this thread getting too close to the 2nd page for comfort.

3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Honestly, hadn’t been on Soxtalk most of the day and saw this thread getting too close to the 2nd page for comfort.

With Mennechino gone, we need to be vigilant in keeping this thread bumped.  Thank You.

22 minutes ago, Highland said:

At this point, the whole franchise has no credibility. I am not waiting for Hahn to make any significant moves.

I want to know what could possibly materialize between now and spring training. I think Merkin is full of s%*# and can f*** himself for what he wrote today about being patient. He’s another Jerry yes man. Jerry, your franchises don’t win games and only won titles because they caught lightning in a bottle in 2005 and he was extremely lucky to have the greatest player in the game for as long as he did for the six rings. Your Bulls and Sox organizations are jokes, even if his son makes the Bulls a little bit less of a joke.

I often wonder how other MLB players feel about the White Sox as an organization? I bet they think that this isn’t a serious organization. Zach Wheeler left money on the table to sign elsewhere, Keuchel s%*# all over the team on his way out. AJ Pollock gave money back to not have to to play here anymore. Potential free agents have to see that this owner isn’t serious about winning and I bet most MLBers think this team is a joke and would never sign here unless it’s their last resort. 

8 minutes ago, chetkincaid said:

I often wonder how other MLB players feel about the White Sox as an organization? I bet they think that this isn’t a serious organization. Zach Wheeler left money on the table to sign elsewhere, Keuchel s%*# all over the team on his way out. AJ Pollock gave money back to not have to to play here anymore. Potential free agents have to see that this owner isn’t serious about winning and I bet most MLBers think this team is a joke and would never sign here unless it’s their last resort. 

Players having negative comments about this organization goes back farther in time, Carlton Fisk, Robin Ventura and Jack McDowell immediately come to mind.

50 minutes ago, EloyJenkins said:

why? that horse is beat to s%*#. 

Because f*** him, that’s why.  He sucks and shouldn’t be in a job he clearly can’t do.  

10 minutes ago, chetkincaid said:

I often wonder how other MLB players feel about the White Sox as an organization? I bet they think that this isn’t a serious organization. Zach Wheeler left money on the table to sign elsewhere, Keuchel s%*# all over the team on his way out. AJ Pollock gave money back to not have to to play here anymore. Potential free agents have to see that this owner isn’t serious about winning and I bet most MLBers think this team is a joke and would never sign here unless it’s their last resort. 

It wouldn’t shock me if players think this way.  It’s just more evidence that JR and everyone else needs to go.  

14 minutes ago, chetkincaid said:

I often wonder how other MLB players feel about the White Sox as an organization? I bet they think that this isn’t a serious organization. Zach Wheeler left money on the table to sign elsewhere, Keuchel s%*# all over the team on his way out. AJ Pollock gave money back to not have to to play here anymore. Potential free agents have to see that this owner isn’t serious about winning and I bet most MLBers think this team is a joke and would never sign here unless it’s their last resort. 

It cant be a top destination, not after last year

It's one thing to suck as a GM. It's another to suck as a GM and be a smug b***h about it. Hahn is the latter

500 team next year they probably hope some bounce back season and start trading off everyone

???????

 

1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said:

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The number of people who were defending that decision both at the time AND during the season while Rodon was dominating will never make sense to me.

Edited December 13, 20223 yr by maxjusttyped

18 minutes ago, maxjusttyped said:

The number of people who were defending that decision both at the time AND during the season while Rodon was dominating will never make sense to me.

Absolutely. We didn’t need hindsight to see it was a terrible decision, either. 

22 minutes ago, maxjusttyped said:

The number of people who were defending that decision both at the time AND during the season while Rodon was dominating will never make sense to me.

The QO or the deal he signed with SF was a no brainer.  It was fucking stupid to let him walk out the door for nothing. 

15 minutes ago, maxjusttyped said:

The number of people who were defending that decision both at the time AND during the season while Rodon was dominating will never make sense to me.

I just went back and reread that thread.  Holy s%*# but I used to be an optimist before last off-season broke me.  One of the worst five month stretches in GM history IMO.  Just so many mind-boggling moves and even worse when you view the off-season in totality.  $40M+ spent on a bunch of role players instead adding a single impact talent.  Rick Hahn is epically bad at this GM’ing thing.

1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I just went back and reread that thread.  Holy s%*# but I used to be an optimist before last off-season broke me.  One of the worst five month stretches in GM history IMO.  Just so many mind-boggling moves and even worse when you view the off-season in totality.  $40M+ spent on a bunch of role players instead adding a single impact talent.  Rick Hahn is epically bad at this GM’ing thing.

Given the contracts and the talent on the team at the 2021 deadline, it’s hard to imagine how someone could have messed up things to the point they’re at now.

2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I just went back and reread that thread.  Holy s%*# but I used to be an optimist before last off-season broke me.  One of the worst five month stretches in GM history IMO.  Just so many mind-boggling moves and even worse when you view the off-season in totality.  $40M+ spent on a bunch of role players instead adding a single impact talent.  Rick Hahn is epically bad at this GM’ing thing.

Kimbrel trade forward he’s been an absolute train wreck.  Not that he wasn’t before, but he removed all doubt last winter. 

16 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I just went back and reread that thread.  Holy s%*# but I used to be an optimist before last off-season broke me.  One of the worst five month stretches in GM history IMO.  Just so many mind-boggling moves and even worse when you view the off-season in totality.  $40M+ spent on a bunch of role players instead adding a single impact talent.  Rick Hahn is epically bad at this GM’ing thing.

Would you mind linking the old thread? I tried searching for it and can’t find it lol

1 minute ago, Flash Tizzle said:

Would you mind linking the old thread? I tried searching for it and can’t find it lol

 

43 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

 

Amazing how quickly things change. Logic told me that they knew more than others when it came to the health of Rodon, they were using info no one else had and knew it wasn’t a safe bet. 
 

The Rodon/Kimbrel situation is really where all the trust fell apart, then 2022 happened and…here we are 

I would have made the same decision on Rodon. I didn't trust him to stay healthy either, so I can't criticize Hahn for that one.

Picking up Kimbrel's option was inexcusable. 

Also Hahn being a shitty GM and Jerry being a shitty owner are not mutually exclusive thoughts. They both suck. 

Go back to earlier in the thread and read my thoughts. 

Edited December 13, 20223 yr by Jack Parkman

What is becoming increasingly clear is that Hahn and the FO intend to do nothing. They are hoping that a combination of a new manager and a bounceback to 2021 levels by half the team will keep them in contention to the All Star Break, when again they will again promise something and do nothing (except possibly add another reliever). The rest of the season will be a repeat of last season where they are never in real contention but never out of contention, then we will all be back here next off season talking about trades and FA signings that won't happen.

Jerry is a terrible owner but Hahn sucks on his own accord. He doesn't understand lineup balance, roster construction, how to draft, and couldn't convince a sex addict to watch free porn. 

9 hours ago, maxjusttyped said:

The number of people who were defending that decision both at the time AND during the season while Rodon was dominating will never make sense to me.

I'm glad you said it. I would've got TLR emojis . Mostly it was just people defending the Sox brass because they had his medicals. Now they know better.

Plus it was a safe play. If you count the number of times he was injured vs him pitching a full season the odds were in your favor. There were plenty of reasons to offer him the QO and plenty more to make an effort to resign him but the injuries and being labeled not a hard worker unless he was in danger of losing an MLB paycheck took precedent.

22 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said:

Jerry is a terrible owner but Hahn sucks on his own accord. He doesn't understand lineup balance, roster construction, how to draft, and couldn't convince a sex addict to watch free porn. 

A lot of people really didn't care about lineup balance . They think that as long as a player is good it doesn't matter if he if RH or LH .

The Sox are the worst LH hitting team in the history of baseball. That's part of the reason why they have not won many World Series. The main reason though is having owners who either had no money so said they had no money.