Tnetennba Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 42 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: This game doesn’t change anything. Winning this catastrophe of a game changes nothing. Unfortunately it does further delay what should have happened ages ago. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 53 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: Winning this catastrophe of a game changes nothing. Unfortunately it does further delay what should have happened ages ago. Don't get so down. They could easily start another double-digit losing streak on Tuesday. 🙂 1 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baseball_gal_aly Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 (edited) Edited May 1, 2023 by baseballgalaly 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FT35 Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 12 hours ago, baseballgalaly said: It really shouldn’t come down to 1 day or 1 game. His entire career of delivering disappointing results should be the determining factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 Is there a list of released Sox players that they're still paying the contracts for? Leury, and Keuchel, and I feel there are others? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 8 minutes ago, joejoesox said: Is there a list of released Sox players that they're still paying the contracts for? Leury, and Keuchel, and I feel there are others? Leury; Keuchel; Ruiz; and deferred payments to Abreu until 2026 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, T R U said: Leury; Keuchel; Ruiz; and deferred payments to Abreu until 2026 AJ Pollock had a buyout on this years' payroll. Nice move Rick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 Just now, Dick Allen said: AJ Pollock had a buyout on this years' payroll. Nice move Rick. Yeah not sure how thats figured though, it wasnt on the list I was looking at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, T R U said: Leury; Keuchel; Ruiz; and deferred payments to Abreu until 2026 thanks, I didn't know about Abreu, but I thought there was another player. Guessing Kimbrel was a straight contract swap for Pollock? those guys you listed, how much total is the Sox paying? Edited May 1, 2023 by joejoesox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 (edited) 50 minutes ago, joejoesox said: thanks, I didn't know about Abreu, but I thought there was another player. Guessing Kimbrel was a straight contract swap for Pollock? those guys you listed, how much total is the Sox paying? Leury Garcia: $5,500,000 in 2023, 2024 Dallas Keuchel: $150,000 in 2023 Jose Ruiz: $54,703 in 2023 Jose Abreu: $1,000,000 in 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026 Potential 2024 buy outs - $7,000,000 Lance Lynn: $1,000,000 Mike Clevinger: $4,000,000 Joe Kelly: $1,000,000 Jake Diekman: $1,000,000 This was taken from spotrac.com multi year payrolls Edited May 1, 2023 by T R U Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 3 minutes ago, T R U said: Leury Garcia: $5,500,000 in 2023, 2024 Dallas Keuchel: $150,000 in 2023 Jose Ruiz: $54,703 in 2023 Jose Abreu: $1,000,000 in 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026 Potential 2024 buy outs - $7,000,000 Lance Lynn: $1,000,000 Mike Clevinger: $4,000,000 Joe Kelly: $1,000,000 Jake Diekman: $1,000,000 This was taken from spotrac.com multi year payrolls. We could be looking at spending $12,500,000 in payroll just to make bad players go away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baseball_gal_aly Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 Apparently finishing in 4th place doesn't mean you had a bad year according to Jerry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 3 minutes ago, baseballgalaly said: Apparently finishing in 4th place doesn't mean you had a bad year according to Jerry. Fourth place carrot is the new second place carrot with the new 14 playoff team scam. No, playoff births with no realistic chance at a championship are not what “fans want”. Selling tickets to another failed season, 10th place pod / 14th wild card spot births is what YOU want. You should have bit your tongue before shoving Tony La Russa down everyone’s throat. Also, you have the wrong GM and you know it, and Hahn knows it and the entire world knows it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 12 minutes ago, baseballgalaly said: Apparently finishing in 4th place doesn't mean you had a bad year according to Jerry. If anyone has any illusions about where Jerry stands on all of this, I implore you to read through all of these quotes. Fair warning though, they are pretty infuriating. This team will never win anything ever again with him as chairman. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said: Fourth place carrot is the new second place carrot with the new 14 playoff team scam. No, playoff births with no realistic chance at a championship are not what “fans want”. Selling tickets to another failed season, 10th place pod / 14th wild card spot births is what YOU want. You should have bit your tongue before shoving Tony La Russa down everyone’s throat. Also, you have the wrong GM and you know it, and Hahn knows it and the entire world knows it. Reinsdorf sadly has better instincts on player evaluation than Hahn...heck the George Costanza approach, but just do the opposite of that instinct, would be so much better here. Darts against a wall or CHATGPT4 work, too. Edited May 1, 2023 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 18 hours ago, T R U said: Potential 2024 buy outs - $7,000,000 Lance Lynn: $1,000,000 Mike Clevinger: $4,000,000 Joe Kelly: $1,000,000 Jake Diekman: $1,000,000 This was taken from spotrac.com multi year payrolls Regardless who the head baseball person is going into next season, these players should all be bought out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shago Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 On 4/30/2023 at 12:23 AM, BlackJackMack said: The first one that needs to go is Kenny Williams. He created this mess over a decade as the GM and ruined both the Sox and their farm system. What did Jerry do? Of course, promoted him! Kenny and Hahn need to both be shown the door; otherwise, you're trusting Kenny Williams to hire the next GM. This team will be a mess until it is sold to new ownership. Leadership and culture starts at the top, and this team is a reflection of Jerry, Kenny, and Hahn's lack of leadership and competence. Imagine the Bobs from 'Office Space' interviewing KW: "Kenny, what is it you'd say ya do here???" 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shago Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 Reinsdorf: "Sports is a business of failure but the fact that you finish second or third or fourth it doesn’t mean you had a bad year." How do you think Steinbrenner or Al Davis would like that quote? What a loser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 There would be alot more Jerry apologists if he didn't do interviews like this. I would be one of them but he can't help but show his true colors. Who is he trying to help by sharing? Future billionaire owners? How was he allowed to give this pointless interview that only sees the light of day if/when he says something dumb? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 Jerry is incredibly lucky this fanbase is so meek 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shago Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 33 minutes ago, GREEDY said: There would be alot more Jerry apologists if he didn't do interviews like this. I would be one of them but he can't help but show his true colors. Who is he trying to help by sharing? Future billionaire owners? How was he allowed to give this pointless interview that only sees the light of day if/when he says something dumb? Milken is only for ego-centric blowhards who like the sound of their own voice and think they're something special ... Flying private jets to a conference and talking about 'climate change' and 'doing good for humanity' Jerry fits right in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 That Diekman acquisition was surely awesome 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 Hahn has made some questionable move for sure, but he has made a number of really good moves too. Injuries have affected the Sox in a major way 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 20 minutes ago, elrockinMT said: Hahn has made some questionable move for sure, but he has made a number of really good moves too. Injuries have affected the Sox in a major way Injuries impact all teams. Other overcome them in part because they have an actual minor league system that produces people who can contribute and because they were willing to acquire quality depth knowing injuries were going to happen. Rick Hahn and this front office have neither a productive minor league system nor were willing to go out and get the needed depth. Instead second base and right field remain black holes year after year after year after year. Here's the bottom line. He's been the GM for 10 years, he has TWO, count them TWO winning seasons...and they weren't always tanking in that entire time. He couldn't even put together a winning team when they were actually trying to win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said: Injuries impact all teams. Other overcome them in part because they have an actual minor league system that produces people who can contribute and because they were willing to acquire quality depth knowing injuries were going to happen. Rick Hahn and this front office have neither a productive minor league system nor were willing to go out and get the needed depth. Instead second base and right field remain black holes year after year after year after year. Here's the bottom line. He's been the GM for 10 years, he has TWO, count them TWO winning seasons...and they weren't always tanking in that entire time. He couldn't even put together a winning team when they were actually trying to win. Santos and Middleton are basically saving the entire bullpen from completely imploding...there's that I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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