2 hours ago, pcq said:

I don't see Hahn leaving. Just not likely. 

I agree, although he should. Maybe JR puts him in another job. 

Just now, SCCWS said:

I agree, although he should. Maybe JR puts him in another job. 

Naw, he does too great of a job. He’s been telling JR that for 10 years.

1 hour ago, maloney.adam said:

The whole coaching staff is most likely be gone including Katz. Usually the new manager wants his own personnel. If Katz is gone Gio will probably be traded as well.

I’d be stunned if Ethan Katz isn’t the pitching coach in 2023. That wasn’t a La Russa hire. 

3 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

I’d be stunned if Ethan Katz isn’t the pitching coach in 2023. That wasn’t a La Russa hire. 

He’s the one guy I’m interested in keeping. Can the rest of the staff. Please. 

6 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

I’d be stunned if Ethan Katz isn’t the pitching coach in 2023. That wasn’t a La Russa hire. 

If there’s one thing that is very White Sox, it would be telling their new coach that no, he doesn’t have the authority to hire his own staff.

Well Cairo will most likely not be managing the Sox next year. Lol

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2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

Count me as thrilled that Tony is completely out, and not being kicked upstairs.  Remove the tumor, let the body heal.

The cancer is still VERY MUCH THERE 

5 minutes ago, maloney.adam said:

Well one thing is for certain, Cairo will most likely not be managing the Sox next year. Lol

No it isn't. 

2 minutes ago, Tony said:

No it isn't. 

Hate to break this to you but no Cairo isn’t managing this team next year sorry.

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9 minutes ago, Tony said:

No it isn't. 

Cairo lost the job when he called Jimmy Lambert to pitch and afterwards admitted he screwed up and  wasn't prepared to manage the game.

35 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

I’d be stunned if Ethan Katz isn’t the pitching coach in 2023. That wasn’t a La Russa hire. 

Miguel Cairo, Frank Menechino, Howie Clark, Darryl Boston, Joe McEwing, Jerry Narron, Curt Hasler and Shelley Duncan. What an awesome coaching staff that was. Good riddance! 

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14 minutes ago, maloney.adam said:

Hate to break this to you but no Cairo isn’t managing this team next year sorry.

Yeah, keep giving the White Sox the benefit of the doubt. See how it works out for you. 

I also didn't say it was happening. You claimed it was "almost certain" until you edited your post. That's not true, and that's the point. 

If Hahn remains and the Sox become a contender, Tony's plaque at the HoF becomes a target at the batting cages.

Sox fans deserve better.  Clean the house and hopefully a real GM can access this team, and hire a manager of his choosing.  That micromanaging bullshit from Jerry is the cause of this s%*#.

3 hours ago, maloney.adam said:

The whole coaching staff is most likely be gone including Katz. Usually the new manager wants his own personnel. If Katz is gone Gio will probably be traded as well.

Gio can go 

2 hours ago, JoeC said:

I laughed audibly. I expect an apology for my wife yelling at me for waking her up.

This.

If the manager and GM aren't aligned on roster construction and overall strategy, then I feel like it's just another case study in inefficient organizational management.

Whoever is actually in charge needs to have his / her / their philosophy congruent with what is being taught all the way down the organization. Furthermore, what is being taught / preached down the organization needs to be congruent with what it takes to be successful as a baseball team (not this "you worked for 15 years as a personal janitor to the assistant to the traveling secretary, so you're being rewarded with a position of baseball significance" thing that JR does).

Naturally, the coaching staff needs to buy into whatever the GM has in mind, which should naturally be congruent with what the manager's hiring and teaching would also align.

If the manager and GM aren’t aligned on things philosophically, then they shouldn’t hire that person to be the manager 

3 hours ago, maloney.adam said:

The whole coaching staff is most likely be gone including Katz. Usually the new manager wants his own personnel. If Katz is gone Gio will probably be traded as well.

Done and done.

 

2 hours ago, maloney.adam said:

Last I checked June is Pride Month, though that may be yet another sore subject for Rick Hahn and the Chicago White Sox.

For the love of god please go outside the organization. Find as many Astros, Dodgers, Rays, etc. guys as possible. This whole organization needs to change its ways

1 hour ago, pettie4sox said:

Sox fans deserve better.  Clean the house and hopefully a real GM can access this team, and hire a manager of his choosing.  That micromanaging bullshit from Jerry is the cause of this s%*#.

It's been going on for years in different areas, won't change now I'm guessing.  

9 hours ago, Jack Parkman said:

 

Thought this deserved its own thread 

Best news of the month so far.  Wish him well in his retirement in Arizona or Tampa, away from the Southside.

4 hours ago, cuban_sammiches said:

Cairo lost the job when he called Jimmy Lambert to pitch and afterwards admitted he screwed up and  wasn't prepared to manage the game.

Cairo lost me with that move, a big unforced error to bring a rookie to protect a 3-1 lead-in the 7th.of the most important game of the year.  This game closed the curtains on the Sox season.  I was in favor of retaining Cairo before this game, but not anymore after the 7 losses that followed.  Send Cairo back to Egypt for all I care.

4 hours ago, Tony said:

The cancer is still VERY MUCH THERE 

The tumor took too long to be removed and some metastasis occurred. A shame.

6 hours ago, The Beast said:

Realistically, Williams and Hahn aren’t going anywhere. This is the White Sox and Jerry Reinsdorf we are talking about.
However, if Bernstein’s report is indeed true, then I agree with Matt Spiegel’s assessment, they need to bring someone from outside the organization to manage the team and have the ability to pick their own coaching staff without holdovers. Yes, even Katz.

Now I’m wondering who that is.

 I don’t know either, but can’t be worse than TLR.

It wouldn't shock me if Katz is gone, if for no other reason than a 100% culture change. This team seriously needs a heart transplant, and the easiest place to start is a 100% turnover in the coaching staff. Katz did some good things, but there were also some disappointments in the staff. I'm fine whichever way that goes.

And for Giolito - seriously, who cares if he is traded? He is a bottom of rotation guy now.