southsider2k5 Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 10 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: It’s definitely possible, and obviously wouldn’t be the first time Preller pantsed a Sox GM in a trade involving a starting pitcher. I wouldn’t have had the balls to hang onto Cease and risk injury and Getz didn’t either. But many other posters made the argument that Cease doesn’t really get hurt, which has stayed true thus far. On 3/13/2024 at 7:53 PM, southsider2k5 said: I will be honest, I am surprised another team didn't beat this. I probably would have went into the season with Cease vs this. I am on team HODL 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 33 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: I am on team HODL So was I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 3 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: I am on team HODL 2 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said: So was I I was as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 (edited) Like I said, I do remember numerous posters saying that they would hold onto Cease, if the trade offers weren’t good enough. This is definitely no hindsight BS. I was a wuss like Getz and was too worried he would get injured. But Getz was probably also pressured by JR to dump his $8 million salary. Edited May 9 by WhiteSox2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted May 9 Author Share Posted May 9 11 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Like I said, I do remember numerous posters saying that they would hold onto Cease, if the trade offers weren’t good enough. This is definitely no hindsight BS. I was a wuss like Getz and was too worried he would get injured. But Getz was probably also pressured by JR to dump his $8 million salary. They added Clevinger and Pham since then 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: They added Clevinger and Pham since then I believe they each signed for a base salary of $3 million. Unless they reach some of their incentives, Jerry is still in the green by $2 million from Getz dealing Cease. If Cease was still with the Sox, I don’t know that you could assume that Jerry would’ve approved Getz adding Clevinger and Pham for the additional $6 million. Edited May 9 by WhiteSox2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 46 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Like I said, I do remember numerous posters saying that they would hold onto Cease, if the trade offers weren’t good enough. This is definitely no hindsight BS. I was a wuss like Getz and was too worried he would get injured. But Getz was probably also pressured by JR to dump his $8 million salary. It's funny cause Rick Hahn was in the same boat with Quintana and got Cease and Eloy by holding onto Q. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 4 minutes ago, Quin said: It's funny cause Rick Hahn was in the same boat with Quintana and got Cease and Eloy by holding onto Q. Not really a comparable situation given how much projected surplus value Q had at the time relative to his salary. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 1 hour ago, chitownsportsfan said: Not really a comparable situation given how much projected surplus value Q had at the time relative to his salary. And how Q was a much lower injury risk due to not being a high below pitcher with previous TJS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 2 hours ago, chitownsportsfan said: Not really a comparable situation given how much projected surplus value Q had at the time relative to his salary. Yeah, dude had another year and a half control over what Cease had. And cheap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 20 hours ago, ron883 said: So... Will the Padres flip Cease at the deadline for more than they traded? Did Preller absolutely pants the Great Getz? A sexy 0.75 WHIP and 2.19 ERA. Why would the Padres trade Cease in July? That makes no sense. They’re currently tied for the #6 playoff seed in the NL and just traded four prospects for Luis Arraez. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 6 hours ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: They took the risk of having Cease during the season.. We clearly were not wanting to do that and it could pay. Luckily Iriarte is looking really really good (if you forget his 8 walks yesterday) And what about Drew Thorpe? Some people here trying so hard to admonish Getz for this trade too but Iriarte, Thorpe, and Wilson have been lights out too. Yes, it’s possible that a trade is a win-win. Win for the Padres in the short term, win for the Sox in the long term.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 1 minute ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: And what about Drew Thorpe? Some people here trying so hard to admonish Getz for this trade too but Iriarte, Thorpe, and Wilson have been lights out too. Yes, it’s possible that a trade is a win-win. Win for the Padres in the short term, win for the Sox in the long term.. Wilson has a net negative fWAR. He has been pretty decent, comparatively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 2 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Wilson has a net negative fWAR. He has been pretty decent, comparatively. His walks have been too high but he’s been one of the best sox relievers this season since the start. 2.93 ERA this season, 3.41 ERA for his career. He’s a legit reliever that will carry real trade value in two months. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 All I can say is thank god Getz didn’t take the Corbin Burnes package (or anything even close to it). This return is light years better than what the Brewers got. What in the hell were the Brewers thinking? Geezzz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 (edited) 5 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: All I can say is thank god Getz didn’t take the Corbin Burnes package (or anything even close to it). This return is light years better than what the Brewers got. What in the hell were the Brewers thinking? Geezzz Little Joey Ortiz is doing a lot better than most of us thought. Getz needs to overpay for as many Orioles scouts as he can on Jerry’s dime. However, the DL Hall part of that trade was trash from the start and I remember thinking that, so I’m not surprised that the Orioles were offering him around. A mediocre reliever that the Orioles hyped up as a potential starter. Edited May 9 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 6 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Little Joey Ortiz is doing a lot better than most of us thought. Getz needs to overpay for as many Orioles scouts as he can on Jerry’s dime. However, the DL Hall part of that trade was trash from the start and I remember thinking that, so I’m not surprised that the Orioles were offering him around. A mediocre reliever that the Orioles hyped up as a potential starter. Joey Madrigal is a utility player. That’s the main piece in the Burnes trade? 🤮 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 2 hours ago, chitownsportsfan said: Not really a comparable situation given how much projected surplus value Q had at the time relative to his salary. The angle I was going for was hot market commodity and the Sox were very clearly sellers. We heard all offseason about the Cease bidding war and then didn't get a high-level hitting prospect in return (Zavala is projectable). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 1 minute ago, Quin said: The angle I was going for was hot market commodity and the Sox were very clearly sellers. We heard all offseason about the Cease bidding war and then didn't get a high-level hitting prospect in return (Zavala is projectable). We'll just have to be patient and see how it pans out. The Sale trade looked immaculate for a few years too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 6 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Joey Madrigal is a utility player. That’s the main piece in the Burnes trade? 🤮 Apparently, Getz needs to find more utility players with an .849 OPS. He couldn’t find one player this offseason that could do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 1 minute ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Apparently, Getz needs to find more utility players with an .849 OPS. He couldn’t find one player this offseason that could do that. He’s quite literally a utility player for the brewers. If he played everyday his OPS wouldn’t be that high guaranteed. Anyways, it’s funny you’re even remotely defending that trade because if the Sox made the same deal we’d be hearing about how awful it was every single day, multiple times a day.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 22 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: His walks have been too high but he’s been one of the best sox relievers this season since the start. 2.93 ERA this season, 3.41 ERA for his career. He’s a legit reliever that will carry real trade value in two months. He's like an inverted Bummer right now. He's got a .135 BABIP against him (while he's had low his last two seasons, not that low) and his FIP is 6.22. He might be the one pitcher benefiting from the defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 (edited) 3 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: He’s quite literally a utility player for the brewers. If he played everyday his OPS wouldn’t be that high guaranteed. Anyways, it’s funny you’re even remotely defending that trade because if the Sox made the same deal we’d be hearing about how awful it was every single day, multiple times a day.. I’m not defending it. I’m glad the Sox didn’t make that trade. I was just surprised at how well some of the Orioles young players are doing, including a guy like Ortiz that they traded away. Edited May 9 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 2 minutes ago, Quin said: He's like an inverted Bummer right now. He's got a .135 BABIP against him (while he's had low his last two seasons, not that low) and his FIP is 6.22. He might be the one pitcher benefiting from the defense. He’s a cheap controllable reliever with a career ERA in the mid 3’s. He stays healthy and continues this level of production for two months he’ll return a 45 FV prospect. Not bad for a 4th piece in the Cease trade no? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 1 minute ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I’m not defending it. I’m glad the Sox didn’t make that trade. I was just surprised how well some of the cast away Orioles players are doing. What are you taking about? DL Hall has a 7.71 ERA. He’s worse than Chris Flexen and it’s not even close tbh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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