caulfield12 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Obviously 2-3 months from this becoming a more serious consideration, BUT 1) White Sox desperately need "feel good" redemption stories after the unpopular Burger trade, both were considered key parts of the rebuild at one point 2) MAYBE MAYBE MAYBE Kopech can just let it loose as a closer/reliever and get away with it (obviously going to have to increase his slider usage though) 3) Both pitchers have/had such uncertain futures that guaranteeing or locking in XYZ amount of money right now (for the future) would or could be QUITE attractive...as getting injured again (TJS) would come close to spelling the end of both of their careers. Risk mitigation. Of course that works from JR's side as well. 4) They're going to have to start thinking of Crochet more as a "long term asset" and less as a push him to the brink (see Rodon 2021) type of situation where they knew he was leaving at the end of the year. Other than Montgomery, there aren't really any obvious players you would even consider for an extension. Robert, Jr., seems to be out of the question entirely at this point. OFC, the thinking coming into this year was just to pump and dump nearly everyone on the roster, but at some point you have to draw a line in the sand and say "the future starts now." Otherwise, there will never be an official date for when they're expected to start competing in such a weak-ass division. And you also need to have guys like this to draw/excite fans...with REAL talent and charisma that fans can actually get behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Line Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Never Kopech. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Deal Kopech in the summer. As long as everything is progressing right on Crochet, you probably try next offseason right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 3 Author Share Posted April 3 Just now, Green Line said: Never Kopech. He's going to have to prove himself over an EXTENDED time period. Whether he can hold up throwing 30-40 max effort pitches (multi-inning usage)...just like tonight, in adverse weather conditions. Whether he can control his walks and keep hitters off balance by getting ahead and bringing his "A" wipe out slider. Otherwise, even at 99-101 he's going to end up unsuccessful and/or getting hurt again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Kopech should be dealt at the deadline if he has a good first half. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 I'd probably look to deal both guys (assuming they have had good seasons relatively) this deadline. Their arms have had a lot of usage and injuries already and although I'd wish both guys well and another thousand MLB innings each -- I just don't see it. It's a good problem to have if it happens. Crochet is clearly on another level he could really get a haul if he's having a '22 Cease like season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 I know Eloy and Yoan get crapped on about their injury histories, but Kopech has been every bit as bad, plus opting out during covid. My answer is essentially none. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 3 Author Share Posted April 3 2 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Deal Kopech in the summer. As long as everything is progressing right on Crochet, you probably try next offseason right? Three years of control remaining. You wait a full year and he keeps this up and he's getting more and more expensive by the start. There's also something to be said for "we're going to put all of our resources behind you into this whole starting thing working out" as quickly as possible. The price tag will be lower and suddenly you can start to project the makings of a Sox rotation into the not-so-distant future, past 2026. Part of this is a function of having almost no players on the roster to get even mildly excited about. This idea might seem completely preposterous just 2 months or so from now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 gotta get rid of kopech, his arm will fall off eventually Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 3 Author Share Posted April 3 1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said: I know Eloy and Yoan get crapped on about their injury histories, but Kopech has been every bit as bad, plus opting out during covid. My answer is essentially none. You need to build around someone, like the Royals with Witt, Jr. Right now, almost all of their (future) eggs are pretty much in the Montgomery basket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 minute ago, caulfield12 said: Three years of control remaining. You wait a full year and he keeps this up and he's getting more and more expensive by the start. There's also something to be said for "we're going to put all of our resources behind you into this whole starting thing working out" as quickly as possible. The price tag will be lower and suddenly you can start to project the makings of a Sox rotation into the not-so-distant future, past 2026. Part of this is a function of having almost no players on the roster to get even mildly excited about. This idea might seem completely preposterous just 2 months or so from now. Only 2 more years of control after this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 3 Author Share Posted April 3 1 minute ago, Bob Sacamano said: Only 2 more years of control after this year. https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/chicago-white-sox/garrett-crochet-48366/ Okay, I was counting this as one of the three since it JUST started. 2024-25-26 2027 UFA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 minute ago, caulfield12 said: https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/chicago-white-sox/garrett-crochet-48366/ Okay, I was counting this as one of the three since it JUST started. 2024-25-26 2027 UFA They both have three years left and already a TJS under their belt. Kopech is a bad temperament in addition to risky arm imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Under the scenario of a new owner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 3 Author Share Posted April 3 1 minute ago, chitownsportsfan said: They both have three years left and already a TJS under their belt. Kopech is a bad temperament in addition to risky arm imo. Sure, but where do you start? Schultz has a lot of long-term injury/mechanics concerns, as well. Anyone really at that size. Tier A FA is out. That leaves the June draft/international draft pool or bargain basement bin like this year (Fedde/Flexen/Soroka, etc.). It doesn't seem we're ever going to overspend/outbid on Japanese and Korean pitchers, either. At least not under JR Regime, or his son. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Just now, caulfield12 said: Sure, but where do you start? Schultz has a lot of long-term injury/mechanics concerns, as well. Anyone really at that size. Tier A FA is out. That leaves the June draft/international draft pool or bargain basement bin like this year (Fedde/Flexen/Soroka, etc.). It doesn't seem we're ever going to overspend/outbid on Japanese and Korean pitchers, either. At least not under JR Regime, or his son. Doesn't matter, just keep churning over the roster for a minute. We're going nowhere fast position player wise anyways. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjp1684 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 5 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: They both have three years left and already a TJS under their belt. Kopech is a bad temperament in addition to risky arm imo. Kopech is showing an UFA in 2026, so we have 2 years including this one. It’s possible we could add a year or two for him, but he only has 1 year that we would be buying out of arbitration, and it’s one he would already be looking at a raise from this year’s $3 million salary. That would put him over $10 million in career earnings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Just now, tjp1684 said: Kopech is showing an UFA in 2026, so we have 2 years including this one. It’s possible we could add a year or two for him, but he only has 1 year that we would be buying out of arbitration, and it’s one he would already be looking at a raise from this year’s $3 million salary. That would put him over $10 million in career earnings. Yea see that now. Man, maybe he takes the closer role by the horns, might as well dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 3 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: Doesn't matter, just keep churning over the roster for a minute. We're going nowhere fast position player wise anyways. They should be playing guys like Shewmake and Sosa (if he comes up). And if Colas keeps hitting, swap him for Fletcher. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 3 Author Share Posted April 3 (edited) 7 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: Doesn't matter, just keep churning over the roster for a minute. We're going nowhere fast position player wise anyways. At some, Getz is going to have to set a FIRM date for the "contention window" to begin. It's going to have to be 2026-27-28. The first one is unrealistically early (2026)...given the situation they're currently facing and declining budgets. The latter one (2028) just feels so far away for fans to sit through FOUR years of bad baseball to get to a competitive team after what just transpired in 2022/23. And it's not even like you can pile up those Top (1) 1-2-3 draft picks anymore as the Astros/Royals/Cubs did to spark their rebuilds a decade or more ago. Edited April 3 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Never. Trade both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 35 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Obviously 2-3 months from this becoming a more serious consideration, BUT 1) White Sox desperately need "feel good" redemption stories after the unpopular Burger trade, both were considered key parts of the rebuild at one point 2) MAYBE MAYBE MAYBE Kopech can just let it loose as a closer/reliever and get away with it (obviously going to have to increase his slider usage though) 3) Both pitchers have/had such uncertain futures that guaranteeing or locking in XYZ amount of money right now (for the future) would or could be QUITE attractive...as getting injured again (TJS) would come close to spelling the end of both of their careers. Risk mitigation. Of course that works from JR's side as well. 4) They're going to have to start thinking of Crochet more as a "long term asset" and less as a push him to the brink (see Rodon 2021) type of situation where they knew he was leaving at the end of the year. Other than Montgomery, there aren't really any obvious players you would even consider for an extension. Robert, Jr., seems to be out of the question entirely at this point. OFC, the thinking coming into this year was just to pump and dump nearly everyone on the roster, but at some point you have to draw a line in the sand and say "the future starts now." Otherwise, there will never be an official date for when they're expected to start competing in such a weak-ass division. And you also need to have guys like this to draw/excite fans...with REAL talent and charisma that fans can actually get behind. You gotta be bleepin' me !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 3 Author Share Posted April 3 3 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: Never. Trade both. Be prepared for attendance numbers in the four digits, then. 12,300 tonight. That puts their season ticket base in the 11-12,000 range, SOMEWHERE. Unless there were an inordinate amount of single game buying AND especially determined Braves' fans in attendance...despite the miserable weather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 3 Author Share Posted April 3 1 minute ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: You gotta be bleepin' me !! After Montgomery, who are the #2/#3 options for an (early) extension, if you were the GM? Robert, Jr., is NOT an option for this exercise (likely in futility). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 11 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: After Montgomery, who are the #2/#3 options for an (early) extension, if you were the GM? Robert, Jr., is NOT an option for this exercise (likely in futility). Why are we thinking extensions right now exactly ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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