5 minutes ago, 46DidIt said:

Where are you getting that they are top 60 prospects?

Nevermind. I was looking for red sox logos but they were already updated to Sox🤣

Well that seems like a pretty good haul. Maybe Getz does have an idea what he is doing

4 hours ago, bmags said:

I remember 4-5 years ago I looked and 18-19% k rate in college that I could still find productive to good major leaguers.

Hes really testing it at 20%, but I would say the game in college has changed a lot. Pitchers have been striking way more guys out, and I’d imagine the new technology plus pitching in college may have advanced it past the hitters. We’ll see if there is just a new top for acceptable k rates. I could see it being an obvious flaw we should have seen…or an obvious caveat that the NIL SEC + pitching development is just a new baseline

I would usually assume like plus 50% in the K rate. So if it is 10% in college it would be 15% in pro ball, if it is 15% in college it would be like low 20s in pro ball and low 20s in college would be 30+ in pro.

 

So montgomery is a bit risky, especially since 20% was a low and the two years before it was 26% which is super dangerous territory (meaning mid 30s% in pro ball usually).

But of course in some cases that might be fixable if it is only 1 or 2 flaws that cause that k rate that could be fixed.

2 hours ago, SoCalChiSox said:

Baseball Trade Values breakdown

To BOS: Crochet 53.4

To CWS: Teel 32, Montgomery 15.2, Meidroth 6.6, Gonzalez 2.8 (56.6 total)

I think it's a sign that Meidroth is 6.6. Does that mean he will be our organization's equivalent of Mario Lemieux?

Perhaps @Chicago White Sox is onto something...

 

thought this was a caufield post for a second 

1 hour ago, Dominikk85 said:

I would usually assume like plus 50% in the K rate. So if it is 10% in college it would be 15% in pro ball, if it is 15% in college it would be like low 20s in pro ball and low 20s in college would be 30+ in pro.

 

So montgomery is a bit risky, especially since 20% was a low and the two years before it was 26% which is super dangerous territory (meaning mid 30s% in pro ball usually).

But of course in some cases that might be fixable if it is only 1 or 2 flaws that cause that k rate that could be fixed.

Montgomey hits the ball hard when he connects, which should result in a strong BABIP 

Hopefully he can rectify some of the swing and miss problems because the pop is legit 

If Montgomery can avoid all the strike-outs that Borchard had, he will end up being quite a find.

1 hour ago, Dominikk85 said:

I would usually assume like plus 50% in the K rate. So if it is 10% in college it would be 15% in pro ball, if it is 15% in college it would be like low 20s in pro ball and low 20s in college would be 30+ in pro.

 

So montgomery is a bit risky, especially since 20% was a low and the two years before it was 26% which is super dangerous territory (meaning mid 30s% in pro ball usually).

But of course in some cases that might be fixable if it is only 1 or 2 flaws that cause that k rate that could be fixed.

A lot of risk with Montgomery imo because he was already a mediocre athlete for the outfield prior to the injury, and he's not going to get anymore athletic. Wouldn't be surprised if he's a subpar runner as a big leaguer as well.

That bat needs to be great, but it wasn't a guarantee. You should give a bit more grace to someone who is switch hitting as their general bat-to-ball skills are better but I agree with you that I think Montgomery is a lot more risky that many here think and it's a profile the Sox have not had great success with.

5 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

A lot of risk with Montgomery imo because he was already a mediocre athlete for the outfield prior to the injury, and he's not going to get anymore athletic. Wouldn't be surprised if he's a subpar runner as a big leaguer as well.

That bat needs to be great, but it wasn't a guarantee. You should give a bit more grace to someone who is switch hitting as their general bat-to-ball skills are better but I agree with you that I think Montgomery is a lot more risky that many here think and it's a profile the Sox have not had great success with.

Valid points here

Sox will need to develop him well to have him reach his potential 

Power is a valuable commodity, and is not easy to teach...he has it. Now just need to figure out how to get the hit tool playable enough to use it. 

Monty hit .340 in college with a good amount of walks. Is that good? What did AVaughn do?

5 minutes ago, zisk said:

Monty hit .340 in college with a good amount of walks. Is that good? What did AVaughn do?

375/15/50. OBP .539. Set the Cal single season record with 60 walks. Vaughn was an incredible college hitter.

14 minutes ago, zisk said:

Monty hit .340 in college with a good amount of walks. Is that good? What did AVaughn do?

ಠ_ಠ

7 minutes ago, Quin said:

ಠ_ಠ

I luv Mike Shirley.

 

 

3 hours ago, 46DidIt said:

Well that seems like a pretty good haul. Maybe Getz does have an idea what he is doing

While I have no major qualms with this deal, let's also note that on paper, Rick Hahn did better than this return several times in trades. This package seems fine, it seems fair, it seems like a good deal and one we should do, whereas Hahn got a couple of packages that on paper made you say "Wow that's a great return" because of a strong headliner. I'll cite the Quintana trade where I said "Wow I didn't think he could get a package like this with how the player is performing."

However, now with hindsight, literally no one will say "he knew what he was doing."

 

1 hour ago, steveno89 said:

Valid points here

Sox will need to develop him well to have him reach his potential 

Power is a valuable commodity, and is not easy to teach...he has it. Now just need to figure out how to get the hit tool playable enough to use it. 

Since when do the Sox develop players?

1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

A lot of risk with Montgomery imo because he was already a mediocre athlete for the outfield prior to the injury, and he's not going to get anymore athletic. Wouldn't be surprised if he's a subpar runner as a big leaguer as well.

That bat needs to be great, but it wasn't a guarantee. You should give a bit more grace to someone who is switch hitting as their general bat-to-ball skills are better but I agree with you that I think Montgomery is a lot more risky that many here think and it's a profile the Sox have not had great success with.

Moncada as a RHH?

2 hours ago, joejoesox said:

thought this was a caufield post for a second 

At least it wasn't 66.6...and coming along with the name Lucifer or Beelzebub.

Edited December 12, 20241 yr by caulfield12

8 minutes ago, The CashMan said:

Since when do the Sox develop players?

Tim Anderson lol...Crede-Rowand/Lee/Ordonez/Durham

11 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Tim Anderson lol...Crede-Rowand/Lee/Ordonez/Durham

At least one of those guys is from this century. LOL

Crochet on Getz getting right for the White Sox: "Immediately when he took over the new role, I felt like he started going about it the right way, in terms of rebuilding the infrastructure from the ground up and making sure it’s a sustainable program for years and years to come."

— Scott Merkin (@scottmerkin) December 12, 2024

Me too Garrett, me too.

7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Me too Garrett, me too.

Sounds like a good motto for the 2025 season..."Find out (first) what the f$&k will happen this year."

"I am humbled by this honor -- both because of the list of previous winners but also due to the absence of the names of so many of my co-workers (Haber/Hostetler/Paddy) who should join my name on this year's award," Hahn said in a statement. "I view this award as recognition of excellent work by many across the entire White Sox organization to set us up for a bright future. We don't win this award without what [executive vice president] Kenny Williams has meant to this organization for the past three decades nor without the tireless work and dedication of our scouts, player development personnel, coaches, clubhouse staff and front office personnel to whom I am indebted."

6/18 votes for Hahn to beat out Preller, Friedman and Neander (Rays).  SI 2019 AL Executive of the Year

2 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

A lot of risk with Montgomery imo because he was already a mediocre athlete for the outfield prior to the injury, and he's not going to get anymore athletic. Wouldn't be surprised if he's a subpar runner as a big leaguer as well

Braden is a tall player so he is not going to have the athleticism in terms of quick first step/flexibility/diving for balls that a lot of compact outfielders have. IMO, I  hope he doesn't dive/twist/contort himself or reach over the wall to grab a fly ball. Stay healthy and focus on offense. Having said that, Braden has a cannon for an arm and there are a couple of You Tube videos showing him gunning down runners at the plate. This guy is the RF prospect we have all been waiting years to see on the South side.

Edited December 12, 20241 yr by tray

2 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

A lot of risk with Montgomery imo because he was already a mediocre athlete for the outfield prior to the injury, and he's not going to get anymore athletic. Wouldn't be surprised if he's a subpar runner as a big leaguer as well.

That bat needs to be great, but it wasn't a guarantee. You should give a bit more grace to someone who is switch hitting as their general bat-to-ball skills are better but I agree with you that I think Montgomery is a lot more risky that many here think and it's a profile the Sox have not had great success with.

His arm will keep a lot of people honest.