How do you rank Chris Getz' GM tenure so far?

I know its still earlyish in his run as gm, and we won't see players fully develop for a bit yet.....so just going off of tangible results, abject failure. 

What are his short and long term  goals? And how hamstrung is he with this ownership?

I gave him an F because obviously he believes this silly rebuild/reload plan will work. This roster is an F.

C/C-

Realistically, it's hard to judge anything until we see what becomes of the Garrett Crochet deal...and WHAT if anything he does with anything resembling a legitimate payroll, which means $80-110 million to spend.   And, just as importantly, almost....what he gets back for Luis Robert, Jr.

On paper, that Red Sox trade looks like an A-, but the obvious point is we weren't able to pry away Kristian Crawford or Mayer as the first piece.

All the other transactions range from F to C/C-, pretty much.   I guess Bergolla/Banks is looking pretty decent, so far.

Vargas is still a big unknown...need to see signs of progress from Sosa, Colson, Baldwin, Meidroth, Teel, Quero, Braden, Wolkow, etc.   BASICALLY, any reasons for hope on the hitting side of things.  Would be nice if Zavala rebounded this season, for example.

The injury luck with young pitchers has been absolutely rotten.

 

I couldn't give Getz anything but an F after the worst season in history, and nothing he has done this winter suggests they will be much better this season.

What rank do we give Ricketts as a Cubs' owner lol?

Probably also a C.

Unless it's maximizing profits from the local neighborhood and leveraging it for his own personal net worth expansion.

5 hours ago, greg775 said:

I gave him an F because obviously he believes this silly rebuild/reload plan will work. This roster is an F.

Only 3-4 true Major Leaguers on the roster, I still can’t figure out what what Getz is doing and what the game plan is, he continues to bring on has been or never were players from other organizations, I may be wrong but everyone of them has been a failure as as much as Getz has thus his F- grade.
 

Edited March 24, 2025Mar 24 by The Mighty Mite

So far, I would give Getz a D.

If the White Sox win 61 or more games in the 2025, he will then merit a C.

If the White Sox win 76 or more games in 2026, he will merit a B.

If the White Sox win 87 or more games in 2027 and make the post-season playoffs, he will merit a B+/A-.

5 hours ago, Chick Mercedes said:

What are his short and long term  goals? And how hamstrung is he with this ownership?

I think everyone is being way too short-sighted. I understand the lack of patience though. There’s a clear plan in place. Chris Getz totally revamped the organization in regards to pitching philosophy, hitting philosophy, research and development, international scouting and professional scouting and for the first time in like 25 years, linked all the different departments together. It had to be done. I don’t know that it’ll work because ultimately, they need to find good players but these changes put them in a better place to find good players. 
 

The trades have been uneven at best and while the draft record appears to be promising, we just don’t know yet. They’ll be awful in 2025 by design though. The owner won’t allow the front office to spend and it’s also imperative to draft as high as possible in 2026 so being a bottom 3 team this year is essential. They have to get more out of trades too and Luis Robert package has to hit like Crochet deal. They also need some surprise trade return somewhere like a monster Davis Martin package. 
 

In an optimistic view, they have a top farm system and clean financial outlook going forward. They’ll never spend as much as we want but I do believe they’ll spend because they have to. They have no commitments. I do think Chris Getz understands the assignment more than his predecessors though. He knows who he works for. Build a large core of young pitching, find a process to develop bats and focus on premium positions. They can spend on first base, DH, back end starters and bullpen once the time comes if you have a cost-controlled young core. 
 

It’s hard to give a grade. I’d probably go with a C overall but it’ll depend on drafting and developing players ultimately. 

1 hour ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

I think everyone is being way too short-sighted. I understand the lack of patience though. There’s a clear plan in place. Chris Getz totally revamped the organization in regards to pitching philosophy, hitting philosophy, research and development, international scouting and professional scouting and for the first time in like 25 years, linked all the different departments together. It had to be done. I don’t know that it’ll work because ultimately, they need to find good players but these changes put them in a better place to find good players. 
 

The trades have been uneven at best and while the draft record appears to be promising, we just don’t know yet. They’ll be awful in 2025 by design though. The owner won’t allow the front office to spend and it’s also imperative to draft as high as possible in 2026 so being a bottom 3 team this year is essential. They have to get more out of trades too and Luis Robert package has to hit like Crochet deal. They also need some surprise trade return somewhere like a monster Davis Martin package. 
 

In an optimistic view, they have a top farm system and clean financial outlook going forward. They’ll never spend as much as we want but I do believe they’ll spend because they have to. They have no commitments. I do think Chris Getz understands the assignment more than his predecessors though. He knows who he works for. Build a large core of young pitching, find a process to develop bats and focus on premium positions. They can spend on first base, DH, back end starters and bullpen once the time comes if you have a cost-controlled young core. 
 

It’s hard to give a grade. I’d probably go with a C overall but it’ll depend on drafting and developing players ultimately. 

Davis Martin returning a huge package seems pretty far fetched.

Just like Fedde didn't gave a track record but was a Top Twenty pitcher by fWAR at the time of the Vargas trade.

We still lack premium prospects at SS and CF.

The jury is still out on 2B.

Catcher is the one area we do have better young depth than anyone...I guess some might argue the Dodgers.

Edited March 24, 2025Mar 24 by caulfield12

37 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

I think everyone is being way too short-sighted. I understand the lack of patience though. There’s a clear plan in place. Chris Getz totally revamped the organization in regards to pitching philosophy, hitting philosophy, research and development, international scouting and professional scouting and for the first time in like 25 years, linked all the different departments together. It had to be done. I don’t know that it’ll work because ultimately, they need to find good players but these changes put them in a better place to find good players. 
 

The trades have been uneven at best and while the draft record appears to be promising, we just don’t know yet. They’ll be awful in 2025 by design though. The owner won’t allow the front office to spend and it’s also imperative to draft as high as possible in 2026 so being a bottom 3 team this year is essential. They have to get more out of trades too and Luis Robert package has to hit like Crochet deal. They also need some surprise trade return somewhere like a monster Davis Martin package. 
 

In an optimistic view, they have a top farm system and clean financial outlook going forward. They’ll never spend as much as we want but I do believe they’ll spend because they have to. They have no commitments. I do think Chris Getz understands the assignment more than his predecessors though. He knows who he works for. Build a large core of young pitching, find a process to develop bats and focus on premium positions. They can spend on first base, DH, back end starters and bullpen once the time comes if you have a cost-controlled young core. 
 

It’s hard to give a grade. I’d probably go with a C overall but it’ll depend on drafting and developing players ultimately. 

The worst team in MLB history followed by another year where you say they MUST be one of the three worst, nets a C.

I hope you're not teaching America's youth with those standards.

I love that you call the crochet deal a win/big return. Let's wait and see there, Jimmy.

I can squint and somewhat accept someone saying that they give him a D. Giving him a C or higher at this point is just wild. 

He oversaw the worst season in MLB history, and deserves no leeway for that since he was already in this organization and oversaw player development leading up to said season. He's just as responsible for it as the guys who got fired. He's putting out, somehow, a worse roster than the 2024 team to start this year. His trades have largely been a disaster. 

So far, this has gone exactly how I suspected it would go by JR giving an unqualified in house guy the job of GM instead of doing the right thing and bringing someone from outside to fix this mess. 

It’s sort of a weird time to assign a grade since we’ve only experienced the painful (but necessary) steps of the rebuild so far.

That being said, I gave a D. Not an F because it seems like there’s a plan slowly coming into focus, and because it was always gonna be a difficult overhaul for the state the franchise was in when he took over. But definitely nothing higher than a D because many of his trades and roster moves have not been impactful enough for the future (so far).

If we do this again in a year, the grade can be a B just as easy as it can be an F.

I went with B.

I really like the organizational changes. Wiith the budget restrictions we know JR has they organization and development needs to be the strength. Hiring Venable and mckinvin were hires previous administration havent done.

Trades have been more bad than good.

Cant really judge the current team as they aren't trying to win. They are spending all the money retooling the organization which is best for them in the long run.

Edited March 24, 2025Mar 24 by ptatc

I said C because it is hard to evaluate Getz with the owner he has. Also, we have to see how the young talent develops.

I agree with ptac. Getz is trying to change the organization, and Venable is a good hire.

But the rebuild is painfully slow. One off season after another is boring. And in the past, White Sox rebuilds have been a mixed bag. They will get good, even win a division, but slide back and it's time for another rebuild. Additionally, if there are injuries it makes things even harder because the team lacks depth. That's why we see guys like Sheets playing right field. (Even though I have to give Sheets credit. He tried to be a decent right fielder.)

One thing the Sox have to do better is acquire and develop young talent in their own system. Then they won't have tear down and trade for other team's prospects.

Yet, the team can't have off season after off season not spending at least some money. Many fans don't think the team is trying to win, and they can't be blamed for that. Getz needs to establish credibility, hard as that is with JR as the owner.

There's no doubt Getz has done good work on the front office and hired some really good people to (hopefully) steer this team in the right direction.  As far as the on-field product, things don't look nearly as good.  We all know his hand are tied financially by the owner.  The trades have been more miss than hit.  The Crochet trade looks, as of right now, to be a potential win.  The Cease trade, even before Thorpe went down, looked bad.  The Fedde/Kopech trade looked ridiculously bad from the beginning, although Vargas is looking better.  But, man, that was a true headscratcher.  This season looks to be horrendous from a win/loss standpoint, so we can only hope we start to see good development from the young guys and the beginning on a brighter future.  Getz has A LOT of work to do to show he can be a good GM.

The one factor that always is a problem with rating a GM are the trades he turned down and the offers that other teams rejected. It's easy to say I would make this trade and believe it would have happened. 

Objectively the system is improved and the manager position has an upgrade. I'm thinking he's done better than I expected so a B. 

2 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Davis Martin returning a huge package seems pretty far fetched.

Just like Fedde didn't gave a track record but was a Top Twenty pitcher by fWAR at the time of the Vargas trade.

We still lack premium prospects at SS and CF.

The jury is still out on 2B.

Catcher is the one area we do have better young depth than anyone...I guess some might argue the Dodgers.

I think Martin will prove to be very valuable this season and he costs nothing. They have a top 50 prospect in baseball who plays shortstop already but yeah, the Robert trade return and next two drafts are very important. 

2 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

The worst team in MLB history followed by another year where you say they MUST be one of the three worst, nets a C.

I hope you're not teaching America's youth with those standards.

I love that you call the crochet deal a win/big return. Let's wait and see there, Jimmy.

I don’t care about their W/L record from last year and I certainly don’t care about it this year either. It doesn’t matter all that much. We don’t know the outcome of the Crochet deal but they did extremely well on paper and with their process. I’ll ignore the other comment but it’s kind of a low blow. Don’t question my standards in regards to my day job. 
 

 

2 hours ago, Jerry McNertney said:

So far, I would give Getz a D.

If the White Sox win 61 or more games in the 2025, he will then merit a C.

If the White Sox win 76 or more games in 2026, he will merit a B.

If the White Sox win 87 or more games in 2027 and make the post-season playoffs, he will merit a B+/A-.

On what basis does he get as high as a D?

He constructed the worst team in baseball history last year and on paper it is no better (in fact you could argue worse).

If, and it is a big if, the prospects he is amassing turn out to be the basis of a winning team then he will deserve a much higher rating but so far most of his trades look bad at best.

9 minutes ago, Chimpton said:

On what basis does he get as high as a D?

He constructed the worst team in baseball history last year and on paper it is no better (in fact you could argue worse).

If, and it is a big if, the prospects he is amassing turn out to be the basis of a winning team then he will deserve a much higher rating but so far most of his trades look bad at best.

They have no money spend and they’re trying to be really bad again this year. This shouldn’t be this difficult to comprehend 

These personal grades all boil down to your belief in this process.

i can’t give this more than a D.  All of the hires everyone is excited about don’t mean anything until the product on the field improves, minor and major leagues.  The minors ranking isn’t exciting until it continues through multiple seasons, we have seen this sort of bump in minors rankings when the team sells off.  It never stays.  
 

it will be interesting to see the temperature of this board if they lose 120 again.   A lot of people will be ok with them getting back to only losing 100 again, I hope they can get that 20 game improvement but it’s really hard to see

10 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

These personal grades all boil down to your believe in this process.

i can’t give this more than a D.  All of the hires everyone is excited about don’t mean anything until the product on the field improves, minor and major leagues.  The minors ranking isn’t exciting until it continues through multiple seasons, we have seen this sort of bump in minors rankings when the team sells off.  It never stays.  
 

it will be interesting to see the temperature of this board if they lose 120 again.   A lot of people will be ok with them getting back to only losing 100 again, I hope they can get that 20 game improvement but it’s really hard to see

BINGO.

Those hires are all hypothetical until we see positive results.

Edited March 24, 2025Mar 24 by Bob Sacamano

13 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

These personal grades all boil down to your believe in this process.

i can’t give this more than a D.  All of the hires everyone is excited about don’t mean anything until the product on the field improves, minor and major leagues.  The minors ranking isn’t exciting until it continues through multiple seasons, we have seen this sort of bump in minors rankings when the team sells off.  It never stays.  
 

it will be interesting to see the temperature of this board if they lose 120 again.   A lot of people will be ok with them getting back to only losing 100 again, I hope they can get that 20 game improvement but it’s really hard to see

I'm being generous and giving him a D for these exact same reasons.

He doesn't get a honeymoon period cause he was part of the same regime that was an abject failure. His first big swing, the Cease trade, looks like a complete bust right now (unless you really buy into Twitter videos from Samuel Zavala's trainer). 

He basically duplicated the Sale or Quintana deal - so we're supposed to believe that a guy that was in the org for the last go around can land the plane this time? He's not the first GM in baseball history to walk into a bad situation, but the only GM to match his futility was one in charge of an expansion franchise in the 60s and this is after he talked a big game (that big ol' defense quote), so he failed by his own standards.