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The Luis Robert that shows up at your door:

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I can’t wait to move on from this guy. One of the last remnants from the last rebuild.

Robert's now down in the negative fWAR numbers again on the season...he's ranked ahead of only Doyle, Taveras, Nolan Jones, Moniak (more a RFer) and Jo Adell.

 

Chase is on pace for a 3.5ish fWAR, Vargas around 3.3, Thaiss 2.1 (likely traded) and Sosa 1.4ish.

That's pretty much it.

Vaughn somehow is at -1.3, on pace for more than -4 fWAR on the season

Baldwin -0.6, Palacios -0.4

Edited May 22, 2025May 22 by caulfield12

3 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Big if true

Andrew our leader explains a lot. Almost as bad as brain-dead Robert. 

Three more K's for Robert tonight. Man he is not good at this game called baseball. Once in a blue moon he lights one up for a HR. Once in a while he makes a great leaping catch, but he surely stinks.

Will the White Sox ever be good again?

46 minutes ago, Ducksnort said:

Will the White Sox ever be good again?

Not with Jerry as owner.

How about 2 for 2 trade, Robert and Vaughn to the Reds for TJ Friedl and Chase Petty

1 hour ago, Falstaff said:

How about 2 for 2 trade, Robert and Vaughn to the Reds for TJ Friedl and Chase Petty

At this point, Petty seems like a good get LOL

I have all the confidence in the world that those underlying metrics are going to kick in any day now.  Go underlying metrics!

He looks healthy, especially in the legs, but he just looks mentally destroyed.  No plan, no thought process, no confidence.  The Sox have failed him so badly.

10 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

He looks healthy, especially in the legs, but he just looks mentally destroyed.  No plan, no thought process, no confidence.  The Sox have failed him so badly.

Story of the core from the last rebuild.

27 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Story of the core from the last rebuild.

Except the whole healthy thing

1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said:

He looks healthy, especially in the legs, but he just looks mentally destroyed.  No plan, no thought process, no confidence.  The Sox have failed him so badly.

100% agree.  He needs a change of scenery.  I am almost positive that whichever team he goes to next is going to get a much better version of him then we are getting.  Problem is the Sox are not going to get much in return at this point.

I would take one of the competitive balance picks for him at this point. Might be too much though. Sigh.

26 minutes ago, DirtySox said:

I would take one of the competitive balance picks for him at this point. Might be too much though. Sigh.

Too bad the Reds already traded theirs in the offseason to the Dodgers.

2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

He looks healthy, especially in the legs, but he just looks mentally destroyed.  No plan, no thought process, no confidence.  The Sox have failed him so badly.

Tbh, I think the trade talks since even last season are playing a large role in his mental approach. He appears distracted by it whenever asked by the media. 

1 hour ago, TheBooneLoganEra said:

Tbh, I think the trade talks since even last season are playing a large role in his mental approach. He appears distracted by it whenever asked by the media. 

Could be. The Sox failed him is an everything the Sox do is bad meatball/hot take. Nothing to substantiate it.

I could say Robert has failed the Sox and be a meatball too.  However I have no theories that are based on insider knowledge.

He's just a young man with a lot of physical talent playing game that demands mental toughness too.

It seems odd to me that I read somewhere that signing with Boras somehow got him to take stretching more seriously rather than weight training. You could jump to all kinds of conclusions when you read something like that . Does the player routinely do his own thing and take bad advice and train wrong ?

MLB is very proactive about steering players in the right direction for their health and wellness and supplies the info to every team. There's plenty of information to make informed decisions.  I'd have to assume it's available in Spanish too .

1 hour ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Could be. The Sox failed him is an everything the Sox do is bad meatball/hot take. Nothing to substantiate it.

I could say Robert has failed the Sox and be a meatball too.  However I have no theories that are based on insider knowledge.

He's just a young man with a lot of physical talent playing game that demands mental toughness too.

It seems odd to me that I read somewhere that signing with Boras somehow got him to take stretching more seriously rather than weight training. You could jump to all kinds of conclusions when you read something like that . Does the player routinely do his own thing and take bad advice and train wrong ?

MLB is very proactive about steering players in the right direction for their health and wellness and supplies the info to every team. There's plenty of information to make informed decisions.  I'd have to assume it's available in Spanish too .

Robert did himself no favors not knowing his coach’s name and not doing pregame working on the pitcher he was going to face a few years ago.  I still say he needs to change his stance.  He dives towards the plate but then stops all his momentum.

53 minutes ago, fathom said:

Robert did himself no favors not knowing his coach’s name and not doing pregame working on the pitcher he was going to face a few years ago.  I still say he needs to change his stance.  He dives towards the plate but then stops all his momentum.

There's a lot of new data out from statcast. I'm not expert and always seeking more knowledge.

I just finished watching the CHGO podcast talking about yesterday's loss,hosted by Sean Anderson.

End of the podcast he starts talking about Robert and puts some stats on the screen from 25, 24 and 23.

My biggest takeaway which I'll say is a rather simplistic take based on what  I saw and what Sean said, is that old baseball cliche about being caught "in between." 

I mean he's trying, he really is. He wants to take more pitches and make good swing decisions so he's waiting longer, letting pitches travel farther.Maybe he's even thinking more about situation and count and doing homework on pitchers and what they throw in what counts. The truly talented hitters just possess information so much better . That comes from preparing for it and study,  experience and just plain physical gifts , eyesight to hand coordination recognizing pitches, spins and grips, following that ball like it's the only thing that exists. Some hitters are overwhelmed by the information and some aren't.

So back to being "in between" . In 2023 Robert impacted the ball more early in front of the plate which meant he pulled the ball more and had his great season. Now because he or the Sox say if only you could make better swing decisions you'd be a better hitter he's waiting longer. So when he swings he's also waiting longer and that's just not his game.  He's caught in between watching pitches and getting his swing started early enough to make contact in front of the plate. Maybe he's just been injured too much to learn from experience or maybe he's thinking too much , or just is overwhelmed and think's he's failing everyone by not being better. But clearly he can't be something that he's never been his whole life and still hit well.

The Sox basically wanted Elko to do the same things and it helped him tremendously. Maybe he just made the adjustment mentally better.

 Fast-forward to 43:45 when he starts talking about the new statcast stats and Miguel Vargas until the end and he's talking about Robert and putting stats on the screen .

Maybe you'll come to a different conclusion than I did.

I'm always interested in statistical based opinions .

 

Edited May 22, 2025May 22 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

12 hours ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

I have all the confidence in the world that those underlying metrics are going to kick in any day now.  Go underlying metrics!

Ah yes, just waiting for the old underlying metrics to kick in…

It’s now Memorial Day and he’s sitting on a 0.1 fWAR and 67 wRC+. The good news is he’s no longer a negative WAR player for the season. The bad news is teams aren’t too excited to pay $15-20M per season for guys that are barely positive WAR players. Current trade value is probably a couple lotto tickets and be thankful to simply shed the remaining salary.

Jim Riley sees the Padres as the best fit.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/baseball/news-padres-ideal-fit-underwhelming-white-sox-all-star-says-mlb-analyst

It looks like Robert's only value is being a Herb Washington-type designated runner.

I still think he’s got some trade value because a compentant org probably thinks they can fix him, but he’s certainly not making it easy on us with his peformance.