DoUEvenShift Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/45115659/pete-rose-shoeless-joe-jackson-players-reinstated-mlb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 10 minutes ago, DoUEvenShift said: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/45115659/pete-rose-shoeless-joe-jackson-players-reinstated-mlb Quote "Moreover, it is hard to conceive of a penalty that has more deterrent effect than one that lasts a lifetime with no reprieve. Maybe MLB could tell the families of Dick Allen and Ron Santo what horrible crimes they committed to have been denied the honor of induction during their lifetimes. Dick Allen's treatment was horrible, but what happened to Santo seemed almost deliberate, as if guys like Joe Morgan and Mike Schmidt had a chip on their shoulders, and they were really going to stick it to Ron Santo. They did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 Quote Manfred ruled that MLB's punishment of banned individuals ends upon their deaths. "Obviously, a person no longer with us cannot represent a threat to the integrity of the game," Manfred wrote in a letter to attorney Jeffrey M. Lenkov, who petitioned for Rose's removal from the list Jan. 8. "Moreover, it is hard to conceive of a penalty that has more deterrent effect than one that lasts a lifetime with no reprieve. Shoeless Joe I'm happy for and I think he gets in. Pete Rose, fine. Gross human, great player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 7 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Maybe MLB could tell the families of Dick Allen and Ron Santo what horrible crimes they committed to have been denied the honor of induction during their lifetimes. Dick Allen's treatment was horrible, but what happened to Santo seemed almost deliberate, as if guys like Joe Morgan and Mike Schmidt had a chip on their shoulders, and they were really going to stick it to Ron Santo. They did. Orestes Minoso Jr. wanted his dad to get in the hall so badly. I tried calling him when it got announced. During the ceremony they said he passed away from ALS and my heart absolutely shattered. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 PUT SHOELESS JOE IN! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 Open it up to the steroid era too then. If we aren't going to have standards, don't have any at all. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 12 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Open it up to the steroid era too then. If we aren't going to have standards, don't have any at all. The steroid users aren't on the banned list though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 15 minutes ago, Buehrle>Wood said: The steroid users aren't on the banned list though. Shadow banned for the same reason's that Rose and Jackson were. Integrity of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 So only another 40 years or so until there's enough turnover in the HOF voting membership of the BBWAA to have those guys seriously considered for voting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 This is dumb change my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 8 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: This is dumb change my mind. Honestly, until I hear otherwise, I am going to assume there were politicians behind this. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 30 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Honestly, until I hear otherwise, I am going to assume there were politicians behind this. I just read up at who was pushing Rose's cause. Yeah, Manfred is a coward and caved, and this was his trying to pretend it wasn't just because he got pressure on Pete. Manfred is a total spineless b****. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 (edited) Maybe they will have a Joe Jackson bobblehead giveaway at The Rate now. I wonder if Buck Weaver and Eddie Cicotte will get into the HOF now also. Edited May 13 by WBWSF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 (edited) Hooray for Buck Weaver, of all of them he was wronged the most. Never took a dime and played his guts out in the 1919 World Series but I don’t think he is worthy of Hall of Fame induction. Edited May 13 by The Mighty Mite 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 42 minutes ago, WBWSF said: Maybe they will have a Joe Jackson bobblehead giveaway at The Rate now. I wonder if Buck Weaver and Eddie Cicotte will get into the HOF now also. It certainly would be highly successful...compared to any current Sox players. Unless they go with Shane Smith or Braden...who would inevitably cool off immediately after being Bobble-ized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 2 hours ago, WestEddy said: Maybe MLB could tell the families of Dick Allen and Ron Santo what horrible crimes they committed to have been denied the honor of induction during their lifetimes. Dick Allen's treatment was horrible, but what happened to Santo seemed almost deliberate, as if guys like Joe Morgan and Mike Schmidt had a chip on their shoulders, and they were really going to stick it to Ron Santo. They did. I seem to recall that some of the people who get to vote were not happy with Santo's self-promoting campaign to get himself into the Hall. This is just based on stuff I recall reading at the time, but I don't have any links to support this theory. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 7 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said: I seem to recall that some of the people who get to vote were not happy with Santo's self-promoting campaign to get himself into the Hall. This is just based on stuff I recall reading at the time, but I don't have any links to support this theory. Sounds familiar. Santo shouldn't have had to promote himself. He was a top five 3B all time, pretty much, when he retired. When he was dying from diabetes, those guys could have gotten over their anger. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 (edited) 2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Shadow banned for the same reason's that Rose and Jackson were. Integrity of the game. Yes, but there's no restriction for the Commissioner to remove. If the people with votes want to put Sammy Sosa in the Hall, they are not forbidden from doing so. Edited May 13 by 77 Hitmen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 19 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said: Yes, but this no restriction for the Commissioner to remove. If the people with votes want to put Sammy Sosa in the Hall, they are not forbidden from doing so. Sure, but because of that history, writers felt an obligation to have standards here. Now that is gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 17 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said: I seem to recall that some of the people who get to vote were not happy with Santo's self-promoting campaign to get himself into the Hall. This is just based on stuff I recall reading at the time, but I don't have any links to support this theory. The first MLB players strike was in 1972. The owners tried stiffing the players of their promised pension money. It was a justified strike by the players union. Santo crossed the picket line and became a scab. Ron "Pizza Man" Santo said he did it out of respect to Cubs owner Phil Wrigley. The players didn't forget that. The owners caved into the players union and the strike was settled. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 29 minutes ago, WBWSF said: The first MLB players strike was in 1972. The owners tried stiffing the players of their promised pension money. It was a justified strike by the players union. Santo crossed the picket line and became a scab. Ron "Pizza Man" Santo said he did it out of respect to Cubs owner Phil Wrigley. The players didn't forget that. The owners caved into the players union and the strike was settled. True and as I was told by some of the players including Moose Swokron, Santo was told to stop drinking, that it would only cause more issues with his diabetes but he did not. He had good numbers but to me he was borderline Hall of Fame at best. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melton1972 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 1 hour ago, The Mighty Mite said: Hooray for Buck Weaver, of all of them he was wronged the most. Never took a dime and played his guts out in the 1919 World Series but I don’t think he is worthy of Hall of Fame induction. Probably not Hall of Fame worthy but he seemed to be improving every year. If he had not been banned, he might have been come close to making the Hall. He lived out the rest of his life on the Southside and wrote to all the baseball commissioners asking to be reinstated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 1 hour ago, WestEddy said: Sounds familiar. Santo shouldn't have had to promote himself. He was a top five 3B all time, pretty much, when he retired. When he was dying from diabetes, those guys could have gotten over their anger. I seem to remember Santo getting criticism for being a spokesman for diabetes while still being a heavy drinker. That’s not against the law of course, but a little hypocritical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 41 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: True and as I was told by some of the players including Moose Swokron, Santo was told to stop drinking, that it would only cause more issues with his diabetes but he did not. He had good numbers but to me he was borderline Hall of Fame at best. I didn’t read this before my post above but you beat me to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 3 hours ago, WBWSF said: The first MLB players strike was in 1972. The owners tried stiffing the players of their promised pension money. It was a justified strike by the players union. Santo crossed the picket line and became a scab. Ron "Pizza Man" Santo said he did it out of respect to Cubs owner Phil Wrigley. The players didn't forget that. The owners caved into the players union and the strike was settled. Informative. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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