Lip Man 1 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 41 minutes ago, WBWSF said: I agree with you. What I don't like about this new stadium situation is the complete silence from the White Sox owner/new owner, It seems to me that something is going on and we're not hearing anything about it. And there's no reason for you to, you are simply a fan and that doesn't count for much in this type of negotiation. If something actually takes place you'll hear about it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxrwhite Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 17 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: Then he must know something that others don't since Nashville has gone on record as saying there is zero money available for a new stadium and MLB wants an expansion team there rather than a relocated one because they'll get more money that way. But if he wants to go then don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. After almost 20 years of incompetence, dysfunction and ineptness it won't bother me one bit (and I never thought I'd say that) It would bother me if they moved. I want my White Sox here in Chicago. No two ways about it 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Line Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 18 hours ago, BrittBurnsFan said: Also, what are they negotiating at this point? An extension to play at the Rate? Or a new ballpark? Negotiating an extension at Rate 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Line Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 10 hours ago, 77 Hitmen said: But isn't it up to the Legislature and Governor to decide if public funds would be spent on a new stadium? Who are the Sox negotiating with? The ISFA is responsible for Rate Field so it would be for use of that site. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 20 minutes ago, Green Line said: Negotiating an extension at Rate Why would they be threatening to leave while not trying to build a new stadium? That seems like the easiest thing ever? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 (edited) 15 hours ago, NO!!MARY!!! said: If it is true that Ishbia is threatening the move, then they’re as good as gone. Nashville was first floated in 2023, before he was part of the equation, so he was either behind the scenes much earlier, or he’s jumping on the threat bandwagon. I find it hilarious and infuriating at the same time when fans who live a thousand miles outside of Chicago say “good riddance, I hope they move.” If this happens, it would be such a Sox fan thing to have to deal with......waiting all these years to finally be rid of Jerry Reinsdorf's incompetence only to have the team cease to exist (as far as I'd be concerned). I'm not saying I'm predicting this will happen, but that it would "just figure" - typical Sox fan luck. Edited October 2 by 77 Hitmen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 12 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: I live a few hours north of SLC and just my opinion they could not in any way, shape or form support a MLB team for 81 dates. Not a big enough population to draw from. Have been to Portland many times (Portland State is in the conference) and I'd say the same thing not enough people for 81 games. Basically you are scraping the bottom of the barrel trying to jam a MLB team in there. Charlotte and Montreal are much better options in my opinion. I agree with you about SLC, but they have a super-rich local owner lined up, the state is committing $900M toward a ballpark, and the city has a strong corporate presence. I'm not in favor of it, but they seem to be the front runners to land an expansion team right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 13 hours ago, WBWSF said: I would think the new owner has alot to say about the new stadium. It appears as if he's going to have to pay for the new stadium not JR. 12 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: And there's no reason for you to, you are simply a fan and that doesn't count for much in this type of negotiation. If something actually takes place you'll hear about it. ^ This. I would think that negotiating in public would be counterproductive to both sides at this point in time. Look at the blowback Jerry got (and rightfully so) for his public push to lobby the legislature for new stadium funding last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Line Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Why would they be threatening to leave while not trying to build a new stadium? That seems like the easiest thing ever? Nobody knows what other plans the ownership has in mind, in Chicago or elsewhere, except themselves. Why would they NOT threaten to leave as part of a negotiation. The ISFA doesn't know what other options they have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 8 minutes ago, Green Line said: Nobody knows what other plans the ownership has in mind, in Chicago or elsewhere, except themselves. Why would they NOT threaten to leave as part of a negotiation. The ISFA doesn't know what other options they have. But why? Like, what are the Sox "holding out" for? It's a lease for an already existing stadium, which has a historic set of precedents to base it on. The only reason it would make sense is if the Sox are angling for a short term lease with an eye on still getting a stadium done somewhere else, and the ISFA doesn't want that, especially already losing the Bears. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 MLB currently has zombie franchises in Miami, TB and uh, Sacramento and they want to move into SLC and Nashville? With the bubble burst on the broadcast rights, at least partially, I don't see a need to expand right now. It would just increase the number of takers relative to makers. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 (edited) 1 hour ago, chitownsportsfan said: MLB currently has zombie franchises in Miami, TB and uh, Sacramento and they want to move into SLC and Nashville? With the bubble burst on the broadcast rights, at least partially, I don't see a need to expand right now. It would just increase the number of takers relative to makers. There's no disagreement on my part that MLB needs to fix the issues with some existing franchise, but I can give you 2 billion reasons why they're almost certainly going ahead with expansion once the A's and Rays new ballparks are completed. The Rays are getting new ownership and almost certainly a new stadium likely in a better location and probably with a mixed-use development. Time will tell if it fixes their attendance woes. Las Vegas is happening for the A's and Bally's has announced a huge entertainment district at the site. Again, we'll see after the new city/new ballpark bounce wears off if this address their issues with fan support. Miami? I have no idea what path forward they have. They already got their shiny expensive new stadium and their ballpark is perpetually empty. They indeed are a zombie franchise. Edited October 2 by 77 Hitmen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 21 hours ago, fathom said: JR and Ishbia want nothing to do with the current location 5 hours ago, Green Line said: Negotiating an extension at Rate Sounds contradictory. And I'm not saying that as a knock on either of you guys. I realize little is known about what they're discussing behind closed doors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 6 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said: There's no disagreement on my part that MLB needs to fix the issues with some existing franchise, but I can give you 2 billion reasons why they're almost certainly going ahead with expansion once the A's and Rays new ballparks are completed. The Rays are getting new ownership and almost certainly a new stadium likely in a better location. Time will tell if it fixes their attendance woes. Las Vegas is happening for the A's. Again, we'll see after the new city/new ballpark bounce wears off if this address their issues with fan support. Miami? I have no idea what path forward they have. They already got their shiny expensive new stadium and their ballpark is perpetually empty. And that will be 4 billion, as it will be 2 teams. None of these guys are turning down a check for ~133 million dollars. That's why expansion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Line Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 15 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said: Sounds contradictory. And I'm not saying that as a knock on either of you guys. I realize little is known about what they're discussing behind closed doors. Regardless of where they go, they will probably need a short term extension at the current location at the very least. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 2 hours ago, Green Line said: Regardless of where they go, they will probably need a short term extension at the current location at the very least. I believe that Brooks Boyer mentioned in some sort of meeting with the media recently that the next 12-18 months are crucial in regards to the (next) stadium. So while all is quiet now, they'll have to step on the gas soon because the clock is ticking. If there's no legitimate news by this time next year I could see extending the lease for a year or two being likely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 (edited) Funny thing is, the current park is much better in every way than it was when it was built to JRs specifications. Edited October 2 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan18 Posted October 2 Author Share Posted October 2 On 10/1/2025 at 1:15 PM, Lip Man 1 said: Then he must know something that others don't since Nashville has gone on record as saying there is zero money available for a new stadium and MLB wants an expansion team there rather than a relocated one because they'll get more money that way. But if he wants to go then don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. After almost 20 years of incompetence, dysfunction and ineptness it won't bother me one bit (and I never thought I'd say that) Rich coming from Idaho. 23 hours ago, ptatc said: Trying to carve out the regional deals is important as well. Listen to Boyer discussion about payroll and the lack of regional deal and the new CHSN app. Regional deals are dead by 2030. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 (edited) On 10/1/2025 at 4:39 PM, fathom said: JR and Ishbia want nothing to do with the current location IMO....that would be a miscalculation that could have unintended consequences including reducing attendance and fan support to the point that the WSox franchise in Chicago could really be in jeopardy. Personally, I am concerned about a move from the WSox historic location on the South side. I have experienced and indeed befriended a few generations of WSox fans....some now proud parents and grandparents...many originally from the South side neighborhoods and parishes (which I was very proud to be part of even though I am not Catholic). Been to more than a dozen South side Irish parades down Western where the camaraderie among Sox fans is thick. Attended games at Comiskey including many memorable games in 70's watching the South Side Hitmen, in the 80's with Fisk, Kittle and them and the magical 2005 WS Championship year. Yea, I was at the Disco Dem. game and left after they cancelled game 2. Met my old buddies at Shinnicks for drinks before every home opener at Comiskey. Walked through the old neighborhood past sis Daley's house on Lowe on the way to games. And I have watched the Bridgeport neighborhood to the West of the park gentrify with upscale homes, condos and apartments. Been one of the thousands of Sox fans who take tailgating to another level with our grills and drinks for everybody. That isn't just my history with the team, its the history of the WSox playing for their fans at Comiskey I and II for over a hundred years. There really is a South side WSox culture built up over decades that, IMO, will largely be lost if the team moves away from their historic home on 35th street. By comparison, the Cubs are every man's team, not just the North sides' since Harry Carey and Ch 9 made them into the media force they have become. Move the Sox anywhere else and a lot of the culture and camaraderie of South side WSox fans will diminish and dissipate as well as the identity of the WSox as our South side team. Others, especially those who have not shared my experiences over the years will no doubt have a different opinion. Yes, I know that winning is paramount in sports, but no team wins every year. There is a lot more to it that's hard to explain, but anyway, I tried. Even Schriff gets the love we have for the Sox on the South side. History. https://chicagology.com/skyscrapers/skyscrapers128/ Edited October 3 by tray 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 7 minutes ago, tray said: IMO....that would be a miscalculation that could have unintended consequences including reducing attendance and fan support to the point that the WSox franchise in Chicago could really be in jeopardy. Personally, I am concerned about a move from the WSox historic location on the South side. I have experienced and indeed befriended a few generations of WSox fans....some now proud parents and grandparents...many originally from the South side neighborhoods and parishes (which I was very proud to be part of even though I am not Catholic). Been to more than a dozen South side Irish parades down Western where the camaraderie among Sox fans is thick. Attended games at Comiskey including many memorable games in the 80's with Fisk, Kittle and them. Yea, I was at the Disco Dem. game and left after they cancelled game 2. Met my old buddies at Shinnicks for drinks before every home opener at Comiskey. Walked through the old neighborhood past sis Daley's house on Lowe on the way to games. And I have watched the Bridgeport neighborhood to the West of the park gentrify with upscale homes, condos and apartments. Been one of the thousands of Sox fans who take tailgating to another level with our grills and drinks for everybody. That isn't just my history with the team, its the history of the WSox playing for their fans at Comiskey I and II for over a hundred years. There really is a South side WSox culture built up over decades that, IMO, will largely be lost if the team moves away from their historic home on 35th street. By comparison, the Cubs are every man's team, not just the North sides' since Harry Carey and Ch 9 made them into the media force they have become. Move the Sox anywhere else and a lot of the culture and camaraderie of South side WSox fans will diminish and dissipate as well as the identity of the WSox as our South side team. Others, especially those who have not shared my experiences over the years will no doubt have a different opinion. Yes, I know that winning is paramount in sports, but no team wins every year. There is a lot more to it that's hard to explain, but anyway, I tried. We are already there. This location does not hold the fanbases interest if this franchise is not consistently winning. Attendance hasn't been this low since the 1900s. This is also a franchise that has almost moved multiple times. I know this is supposed to scare everyone, but we haven't been away from 35/Shields since 1909, yet this franchise is already in imment danger. The fan base is gone. It's at modern lows. This stadium has been a complete failure. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 (edited) 36 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: We are already there. This location does not hold the fanbases interest if this franchise is not consistently winning. Attendance hasn't been this low since the 1900s. This is also a franchise that has almost moved multiple times. I know this is supposed to scare everyone, but we haven't been away from 35/Shields since 1909, yet this franchise is already in imment danger. The fan base is gone. It's at modern lows. This stadium has been a complete failure. Agreed. If they move, their attendance will likely automatically improve short-term because fans will want to see the new stadium. However, attendance will only improve long-term if the Sox can actually field a good team that can make the playoffs somewhat often, which is a much bigger problem than the location of the new stadium, IMHO. Edited October 3 by WhiteSox2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: We are already there. This location does not hold the fanbases interest if this franchise is not consistently winning. Attendance hasn't been this low since the 1900s. This is also a franchise that has almost moved multiple times. I know this is supposed to scare everyone, but we haven't been away from 35/Shields since 1909, yet this franchise is already in imment danger. The fan base is gone. It's at modern lows. This stadium has been a complete failure. I think you're overlooking something. This present franchise is making big money with these low team payrolls. The team almost moved in the past because the team wasn't making money. That's not the case now. If this franchise was losing money JR would sell the team as fast as he could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 4 minutes ago, WBWSF said: I think you're overlooking something. This present franchise is making big money with these low team payrolls. The team almost moved in the past because the team wasn't making money. That's not the case now. If this franchise was losing money JR would sell the team as fast as he could. The Sox have not made money this decade. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 34 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: The Sox have not made money this decade. Is this really true, when you factor in all the additional profits they make from the MLB? My guess is that they are still in the green, just not at the amount they would want to be. “Substantial losses in revenue” compared to prior years does not equal “no positive revenue”. https://www.marcnormandin.com/2024/09/16/white-sox-to-cut-payroll-in-2025-after-substantial-losses/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 2 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Is this really true, when you factor in all the additional profits they make from the MLB? My guess is that they are still in the green, just not at the amount they would want to be. “Substantial losses in revenue” compared to prior years does not equal “no positive revenue”. https://www.marcnormandin.com/2024/09/16/white-sox-to-cut-payroll-in-2025-after-substantial-losses/ Nbb has mentioned they’ve lost a ton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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