PaleAleSox Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 13 minutes ago, vilehoopster said: A couple things: You guys should realize who are all excited about Baldwin's stats and how well he's hitting down in Charlotte and want to bring him up because he's a hitting machine. Well . . . Jacob Amaya is hitting .464 down in Charlotte (that is true; I looked it up on two different sources), and remember Elko was batting .350. So, big time raking doesn't see too difficult down in Charlotte. On a different point: I don't know if I want to give him an entire season to show what he can do, but I'd like to give Elko, at least, until August. He just has so many positives: He is so athletic (stole the weird base a few nights ago), unlike Vaughn, he can score from 2nd on a single; also, he seems to play a great defensive 1st base; and he has over 30 home runs a season potential. The Sox NEED power soooo badly. Let's see if he can provide some. He had three at bats last night that were just terrible; I admit that is true. But let's not just give up on his potential and say he's a AAAA player yet, or even for a while yet. I’m not giving up on him, but he is taking fast balls down the middle and then swinging at junk that doesn’t even make it home plate. Gotta figure that out. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksnort Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 (edited) Delete. Wrong thread. Edited June 13 by Ducksnort 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 Best wishes to Vaughn who obviously got ruined by our coaching. He had no chance in Chicago for whatever reason. Hope he finds lift and pull heaven with the Brewers. Why all the negativity toward Elko. Earlier in the year the fanboard was clamoring for him to come up to the bigs. He's only a 10th round pick but I thought he was the next Dave Kingman. Let's support Elko folks and not hate everybody. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 9 minutes ago, Ducksnort said: I hate that Crochet, Rodon and Sale are all in the top 5 in strikeouts in the mlb. What could have been if this org knew what they were doing. Would have been the most dominant rotation in mlb history. They prove Greg's theory that you don't need to tank/rebuild. You acquire players the old fashioned way and keep them, not get rid of everybody because tanking/rebuilding was the way to do it for a couple years. Sox are destined to be like college sports. Total roster change every year or two. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 25 minutes ago, greg775 said: Best wishes to Vaughn who obviously got ruined by our coaching. He had no chance in Chicago for whatever reason. Hope he finds lift and pull heaven with the Brewers. Why all the negativity toward Elko. Earlier in the year the fanboard was clamoring for him to come up to the bigs. He's only a 10th round pick but I thought he was the next Dave Kingman. Let's support Elko folks and not hate everybody. I don't think that is obvious. He seems to just be bad. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 12 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: I don't think that is obvious. He seems to just be bad. And lazy, per Tyler Osik. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksnort Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 1 hour ago, greg775 said: Best wishes to Vaughn who obviously got ruined by our coaching. He had no chance in Chicago for whatever reason. Hope he finds lift and pull heaven with the Brewers. Why all the negativity toward Elko. Earlier in the year the fanboard was clamoring for him to come up to the bigs. He's only a 10th round pick but I thought he was the next Dave Kingman. Let's support Elko folks and not hate everybody. His strikeout rate is alarming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 1 hour ago, vilehoopster said: A couple things: You guys should realize who are all excited about Baldwin's stats and how well he's hitting down in Charlotte and want to bring him up because he's a hitting machine. Well . . . Jacob Amaya is hitting .464 down in Charlotte (that is true; I looked it up on two different sources), and remember Elko was batting .350. So, big time raking doesn't see too difficult down in Charlotte. On a different point: I don't know if I want to give him an entire season to show what he can do, but I'd like to give Elko, at least, until August. He just has so many positives: He is so athletic (stole the weird base a few nights ago), unlike Vaughn, he can score from 2nd on a single; also, he seems to play a great defensive 1st base; and he has over 30 home runs a season potential. The Sox NEED power soooo badly. Let's see if he can provide some. He had three at bats last night that were just terrible; I admit that is true. But let's not just give up on his potential and say he's a AAAA player yet, or even for a while yet. A .500 BABIP suggests big time batted ball luck rather than big time raking. Meanwhile Baldwin has a .354 ISO which is 2.5x higher than Amaya’s. That’s big time raking, even for someone at Charlotte. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Vaughn, Avi, Beckham As we know there are plenty of other busts. But these 3 got sooo much playing time that I think they comprise the Mount Rushmore of painful Sox busts. Anybody else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 9 minutes ago, Jerksticks said: Vaughn, Avi, Beckham As we know there are plenty of other busts. But these 3 got sooo much playing time that I think they comprise the Mount Rushmore of painful Sox busts. Anybody else? Eloy, Moncada, & Kopech would like a word 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 just realized Palacios has been DFAd, f*** yeah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 I read Mark DeRosa running his mouth saying the Sox got fleeced. Ahh Mark did you see Vaughn play lately? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 48 minutes ago, joejoesox said: just realized Palacios has been DFAd, f*** yeah Don't worry he'll be back soon enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 1 hour ago, JoshPR said: I read Mark DeRosa running his mouth saying the Sox got fleeced. Ahh Mark did you see Vaughn play lately? Or ever? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 14 hours ago, PolishPrince34 said: I read somewhere that the Dodgers have an interest in Davis Martin. It wouldn't surprise me that the Sox traded Davis at 28 years old, with 4 years left of control, and injury history. to rebuild the rebuild of the rebuild #MakeBirminghamBetter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 12 hours ago, PitchatRisktoZisk said: I wish him luck. Seemed like a decent guy. The Sox f'd up EVERY aspect of his development. Rushed him to Majors to justify the pick. Didn't send him down when he needed a reset. Finally (and worst) put him in the outfield where his lack of instinct and foot speed made him the worst option in MLB at that position. They thought they were drafting Steve Garvey and ended up with Steve Harvey. Piss poor scouting on top of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 10 hours ago, Soxfest said: AV was such a complete bust, sounds like he never put the time in to improve We never really but will always buy into some tweet based on performance. We can't seem to accept the fact that maybe he wasn't any good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 8 hours ago, vilehoopster said: A couple things: You guys should realize who are all excited about Baldwin's stats and how well he's hitting down in Charlotte and want to bring him up because he's a hitting machine. Well . . . Well Baldwin will get more than one at bat to see if he can improve on his .215 average but he has to cut down on the big swing especially with two strikes or his batting average will suffer and he will be demoted again. Elko is hitting .155. I root for him to get solid contact but for the most part he is getting over-matched by mlb pitchers. He has to figure something out pretty soon to stay on the roster. Getz and Venable are proving that their patience with any under-performing player has limits. When Vaughn was demoted, every player was put on notice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 (edited) 6 hours ago, Jerksticks said: Vaughn, Avi, Beckham As we know there are plenty of other busts. But these 3 got sooo much playing time that I think they comprise the Mount Rushmore of painful Sox busts. Anybody else? Borchard Viciedo Josh Fields Kenny Williams Brian Anderson Kurt Brown Courtney Hawkins Jared Mitchell Avi Garcia can’t be Top 3. Caruso Chris Snopek Edited June 14 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 12 hours ago, Jerksticks said: Vaughn, Avi, Beckham As we know there are plenty of other busts. But these 3 got sooo much playing time that I think they comprise the Mount Rushmore of painful Sox busts. Anybody else? Thank Gawd Vaughn gets a chance with a better club who knows how to use him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 7 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Chris Snopek Hey now 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 I just want to add that I am so glad that Vaughn is gone for good. I was pretty confident we’d never see him again once he got demoted to AAA, but this all but confirms that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 I’m pretty confident that we can move Civale for at least a low level prospect in the month and a half. Pitching is always needed by contenders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted June 14 Author Share Posted June 14 49 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: I’m pretty confident that we can move Civale for at least a low level prospect in the month and a half. Pitching is always needed by contenders. He looks like the same guy TB traded to the Brewers for a William Bergolla-looking shortstop in 2024. Fix him, and maybe he brings back a top 100 prospect (Kyle Manzardo) like he did in 2023. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 50 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: I’m pretty confident that we can move Civale for at least a low level prospect in the month and a half. Pitching is always needed by contenders. LOL the habitual losing formula. It's not about keeping and trading but the same losing organizations can't dig their way out of poor scouting. It's like why trade for no level prospects when you equally draft them. Always try that .0001% chance that never works. The successful organizations are always quite aware how bad another team is run and always offer fools gold. We live in the age of brittle pitcher. It is also needed by non contenders. The mental illness of trade frenzy. Civale is a rental either way. Trade him for someone who will never exist in MLB. It does make sense to do that. The reality is the TJ virus sets an organization back 16 months. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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