caulfield12 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 3 hours ago, Rusty_Kuntz said: No doubt, but I think you can make the argument that they saw Baldwin was really struggling mentally and didn't want to ruin his confidence. That said I would still prefer they let him work through it. Capra obviously shouldn't be anywhere near an MLB roster but no one cares if he's struggling or not on a 100+ loss team. In three at bats? Then what he was doing for three whole weeks of being the best AAA hitters in CHLT just completely deserted him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 16 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: In three at bats? Then what he was doing for three whole weeks of being the best AAA hitters in CHLT just completely deserted him? Perhaps killing AAA pitching deserted him. I think it's more that they always intended for him to be at AAA until the TDL, and don't see Ramos or Colson as utility options off the MLB bench for a few days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 19 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: In three at bats? Then what he was doing for three whole weeks of being the best AAA hitters in CHLT just completely deserted him? And look, even if he needs some work, he obviously isn't getting that at Charlotte. These guys are all going to have to learn on the job eventually. The question is, should it be now while we are one of the worst teams in baseball, or when wins actually matter? That is unless these guys have that little faith in their development programs that they would rather send Vinny Capra out there on a daily basis than start one of their own guys. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 (edited) All the reasons why Elko, Baldwin and others are in AAA ring hollow when Rojas and Capra reside on the 26-man. And Slater and Taylor. No development going on with the above. And most aren't even holding their own as bottom of the roster players. They are just bad players. Meanwhile AAA is stuffed with players who really do need an audition. What is the point of this? Edited June 17 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johno Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 makes no sense!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_Kuntz Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 2 hours ago, caulfield12 said: In three at bats? Then what he was doing for three whole weeks of being the best AAA hitters in CHLT just completely deserted him? Did he look like he stood a chance in any of those at bats to you? Also made a really bad error, and body language was terrible. Again, I'd prefer they kept him up for awhile. He seems to have at least a shot to be more than a AAAA player. But he didn't look right imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 why give away atbats to Capra and Rojas, just play the kid, jfc... we are going to lose 110 anyway what does it matter! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Don’t see the big deal on Baldwin, I see nothing that good against major league pitching. Defense is just awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 I will just never get the argument playing guys like Capra, Rojas, Noda over guys like Baldwin and Elko. We aren't competing, might as well see what the guys can do, if they suck who the f*** cares? Maybe they can make adjustments similar to Vargas, you just don't know. But you know what you have with the other 3, they also have no trade value anyways so what is the point 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 6 hours ago, Rusty_Kuntz said: Did he look like he stood a chance in any of those at bats to you? Also made a really bad error, and body language was terrible. Again, I'd prefer they kept him up for awhile. He seems to have at least a shot to be more than a AAAA player. But he didn't look right imo. The Sox need to slot Baldwin into one defensive position, like 1B or 2B so he can specialize his defensive skills. IMO, Baldwin needs to respect major league pitching more than he does AAA pitching. Cut down on the HR swing, especially with 2 strikes. He still isn't doing that in AAA because apparently what he is doing there is working: https://www.milb.com/video/brooks-baldwin-s-two-homer-game?t=home-runs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 13 minutes ago, tray said: The Sox need to slot Baldwin into one defensive position, like 1B or 2B so he can specialize his defensive skills. IMO, Baldwin needs to respect major league pitching more than he does AAA pitching. Cut down on the HR swing, especially with 2 strikes. He still isn't doing that in AAA because apparently what he is doing there is working: https://www.milb.com/video/brooks-baldwin-s-two-homer-game?t=home-runs Baldwin just isn't a legit 1B candidate...look at his NCAA numbers in terms of being a SS and MLB career OPS of 571 in nearly a half season of at-bats, that's 2025 Luis Robert, Jr. territory https://www.thebaseballcube.com/content/player/220117/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 hour ago, BigHurt3515 said: I will just never get the argument playing guys like Capra, Rojas, Noda over guys like Baldwin and Elko. We aren't competing, might as well see what the guys can do, if they suck who the f*** cares? Maybe they can make adjustments similar to Vargas, you just don't know. But you know what you have with the other 3, they also have no trade value anyways so what is the point Exactly. The counter-argument would be that the “younger” guys need more time in the minors so that’s why the vets are playing. I’m not saying they will even pan out but there is zero reason to continue giving at bats to guys like Capra, Rojas, and Noda — ZERO. And good god, Elko will turn 27 after Christmas and Baldwin will turn 25 in a couple months. They definitely aren’t being rushed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimpton Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Just a question from someone in the UK who loves baseball but doesn't have in depth knowledge, does bouncing a player between AAA and MLB actually hinder their development or help? It just seems that Baldwin and Elko have a short stint up in the MLB, admittedly not doing too well, and then get sent back to AAA for a few weeks before a repeat of the promotion and demotion. If they have nothing left to learn at AAA then wouldn't it be better to give them an extended stay in the MLB to give them time to adjust/or fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 hour ago, Chimpton said: Just a question from someone in the UK who loves baseball but doesn't have in depth knowledge, does bouncing a player between AAA and MLB actually hinder their development or help? It just seems that Baldwin and Elko have a short stint up in the MLB, admittedly not doing too well, and then get sent back to AAA for a few weeks before a repeat of the promotion and demotion. If they have nothing left to learn at AAA then wouldn't it be better to give them an extended stay in the MLB to give them time to adjust/or fail. Not knowing what they have in Sosa Baldwin or Elko by the end of 2025 is just completely illogical... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) 42 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Not knowing what they have in Sosa Baldwin or Elko by the end of 2025 is just completely illogical... Who knows, maybe the Sox don’t even have any confidence in them either and aren’t overexposing them so Getz can still trade them while they have some value remaining for even more young table scraps? Then he can sign more old veterans bums next offseason to replace them. Edited June 18 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 2 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Who knows, maybe the Sox don’t even have any confidence in them either and aren’t overexposing them so Getz can still trade them while they have some value remaining for even more young table scraps? Then he can sign more old veterans bums next offseason to replace them. If you go back to the Top Ten list...Braden Bonemer Meidroth arguably are the only three players that have increased their value these first three months. Vargas ofc as well but already a semi veterans in terms of overall experience. Teel feels a bit neutral for now. Almost every single pitcher has gone in the wrong direction, gotten hurt, etc. Oppor I guess increased the most out of the Top 20ish group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_Kuntz Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 6 hours ago, tray said: The Sox need to slot Baldwin into one defensive position, like 1B or 2B so he can specialize his defensive skills. IMO, Baldwin needs to respect major league pitching more than he does AAA pitching. Cut down on the HR swing, especially with 2 strikes. He still isn't doing that in AAA because apparently what he is doing there is working: https://www.milb.com/video/brooks-baldwin-s-two-homer-game?t=home-runs He is clearly too good for AAA. Don't think he's a first baseman at all, and I'm not sure he's an everyday player at a single position on a decent team. Even on this team, if they dump Rojas and Capra, he's a 2B who will split time with Sosa and maybe get some reps at SS, but there really isn't any reason not to play Meidroth everyday there. I don't think he's a CF, so maybe also gives Benintendi a break against lefties. But doubtful he could play enough at one position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted June 18 Author Share Posted June 18 7 hours ago, BigHurt3515 said: I will just never get the argument playing guys like Capra, Rojas, Noda over guys like Baldwin and Elko. We aren't competing, might as well see what the guys can do, if they suck who the f*** cares? Maybe they can make adjustments similar to Vargas, you just don't know. But you know what you have with the other 3, they also have no trade value anyways so what is the point They need to bring Baldwin back up, put him at one spot, play him everyday for at least a month and see what we have but what they did with him over the weekend with 3 ABs was a complete joke. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 I think this has much more to do with not having everyday at bats to give him right now. They'd rather Capra rot on the bench and play 1x a week than Brooks. I'm fine with it. He'll be back within 6 weeks for certain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) 2 hours ago, ChiSox59 said: I think this has much more to do with not having everyday at bats to give him right now. They'd rather Capra rot on the bench and play 1x a week than Brooks. I'm fine with it. He'll be back within 6 weeks for certain. Capra has started 4 of the last 6 games. The at bats are there, especially if you expand into the OF over Slater and Taylor, giving days off to Sosa, Meidroth, Vargas, etc. Edited June 18 by Bob Sacamano 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) I read where the manager of the White Sox said Baldwin was sent back down because he needs to play every day. He said there is no place for him on this team where he would play every day. Yet we had a lineup last night that had Taylor, Slater and Capra. I wouldn't be surprised if Baldwin and Elko were moved to other organizations. Edited June 18 by WBWSF 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 “That's part of the reason why he's in Triple-A, because we want him to play,” said White Sox manager Will Venable of Baldwin. “He's still a young player, and we just don't have that opportunity for him here. He's part of our vision for the future, and for him to get there and really develop, he needs to be in Triple-A playing." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Have we ran out of WTFs for how this organization is run yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 4 hours ago, The Mighty Mite said: They need to bring Baldwin back up, put him at one spot, play him everyday for at least a month and see what we have but what they did with him over the weekend with 3 ABs was a complete joke. 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 On 6/17/2025 at 8:50 AM, fathom said: I think having the the worst team in the history of the sport has a lot to do with the whining. That's over though. That's a pretty long cry. I know everyone makes a big deal about telling one another how to fan but I don't understand ultra negative fans. If you are that upset, that negative, that hurt and it's that deep that you have to write about it every day something just seems very wrong . Move on, do something else. How long are people going to carry on like this. Sports is always full of disappointment as fans. Best case scenario you move on and look forward and find hope where you can instead of crying about the terrible players that are inevitable in a rebuild. Baldwin could turn into a huge win for the organization but it won't happen over night. So could the Montgomery's. Odds are less than even that all 3 have even 1 All Star season but why should I let that stop me from saying there's also a chance for a much better outcome too. You know once things turn around you'll be still here talking about playoff matchups as if none of this ever occured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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