Bob Sacamano Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 9 minutes ago, The Grinder said: This game is what happens when a good team plays a bad team. Expect a sweep This was probably the only game they had a chance to win with an ancient Clayton Kershaw on the mound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 22 minutes ago, The Mighty Mite said: Definitely a different game that I grew with. The players are without a doubt more athletic, I’m seeing defensive plays these days that are simply unbelievable, we’ve probably seen many catches now that have been better than Willie Mays’ great catch in the 1954 World Series. That being said, what drives me crazy about today’s game is guys are constantly swinging for the fences when all they need is a well placed single to win a game. Many outfielders have trouble hitting the cut off man on throws back to the infield, most teams wind up the year with more Ks than hits. Greg mentioned how pitching has changed, today pitching is entirely a different animal, just 20 years ago the Sox won the World Series with 4 complete game victories, now a team can go an entire year without a complete game. A starting pitcher now has a quality start if he goes 5 innings, give me a break. All that said, I still love Baseball, it’s a sport that if you are watching a game you will probably see something you’ve never seen before. I’ll be 80 soon and I still pull for the Sox, I still get nervous sometimes and if the Sox have a small lead going to the 9th inning I won’t watch, I didn’t stay up last night but that game is one I would have gone to bed and as it turned out that ninth inning would have caused me to lose sleep. I don’t understand why lack of a complete game is so bothersome to you, if your team wins then who cares how it is done? Why does one man throwing way more pitches in one night than he should, make that game better? complete games have disappeared because they simply ruined pitchers. Look at the toll it took on Jack McDowell. Top of his game and top of the world in 93-94 at 28 years old and had one more decent year with the Yankees and just never found it again and out of the game at 33. Yea that’s what I want to do is just drive them into the ground https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mcdowja01.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 15 minutes ago, The Grinder said: This game is what happens when a good team plays a bad team. Expect a sweep Unfortunately you are probably right, I was hoping we could steal a game in LA and take 2 in Colorado for a .500 road trip, maybe they will shock us a win today but don't hold your breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: I don’t understand why lack of a complete game is so bothersome to you, if your team wins then who cares how it is done? Why does one man throwing way more pitches in one night than he should, make that game better? complete games have disappeared because they simply ruined pitchers. Look at the toll it took on Jack McDowell. Top of his game and top of the world in 93-94 at 28 years old and had one more decent year with the Yankees and just never found it again and out of the game at 33. Yea that’s what I want to do is just drive them into the ground https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mcdowja01.shtml Not necessarily complete games but how about at least 7 innings. One thing is nowadays you need 13 man pitching staffs which cuts down on position players, you pick out McDowell but I have seen hundreds of pitchers who have had great careers pitching many many innings, ever hear of Nolan Ryan, Tom Seaver, Steve Carlton and our own Billy Pierce and Mark Buerhle plus so many more. Part of the problem is the money, they have to protect their investments in these guys. Edited July 3 by The Mighty Mite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 22 minutes ago, The Mighty Mite said: Not necessarily complete games but how about at least 7 innings. One thing is nowadays you need 13 man pitching staffs which cuts down on position players, you pick out McDowell but I have seen hundreds of pitchers who have had great careers pitching many many innings, ever hear of Nolan Ryan, Tom Seaver, Steve Carlton and our own Billy Pierce and Mark Buerhle plus so many more. Part of the problem is the money, they have to protect their investments in these guys. It’s completely arbitrary. You are naming the greatest of the greats and expect everyone to be able to do it. I don’t know what to tell you when you can acknowledge the great increased athleticism of the game but then be annoyed when the teams and players try to make sure they extend the careers of all of the players providing the greatness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 10 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: It’s completely arbitrary. You are naming the greatest of the greats and expect everyone to be able to do it. I don’t know what to tell you when you can acknowledge the great increased athleticism of the game but then be annoyed when the teams and players try to make sure they extend the careers of all of the players providing the greatness. Like I said I could name many pretty average pitchers who still went out there and could give you a good start pretty consistently, just with the Sox we had Donovon, Horlen, Peters, Dotson not to mention Wilbur Wood who even though a knuckballer gave us 4 years in a row with over 300 innings pitched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 1 hour ago, Bob Sacamano said: This was probably the only game they had a chance to win with an ancient Clayton Kershaw on the mound. He looked terrible too. Just nothing left in him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 1 hour ago, The Mighty Mite said: Not necessarily complete games but how about at least 7 innings. One thing is nowadays you need 13 man pitching staffs which cuts down on position players, you pick out McDowell but I have seen hundreds of pitchers who have had great careers pitching many many innings, ever hear of Nolan Ryan, Tom Seaver, Steve Carlton and our own Billy Pierce and Mark Buerhle plus so many more. Part of the problem is the money, they have to protect their investments in these guys. The issue is that the average dude out of the back of a ML Bullpen in 2025 throws harder than all of those dudes. In fact, almost every starter in baseball can bring a standard Nolan Ryan 95 mph fastball, or better. The league average is just under 95 today. 20 years ago it was about 90. If we get back to the 1930s when guys were going 300 innings, it was expected to be in the low 80's. A sorry Nick Nastrini dropped into the Babe Ruth era would be the GOAT. It's about effort, not length in 2025. There is a reason no one ever tried to get Usian Bolt to run 9.7 pace for 26 miles, and that is it is impossible. It's the same with starters. If you are going to throw harder, your outings will be shorter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry McNertney Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 26 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: The issue is that the average dude out of the back of a ML Bullpen in 2025 throws harder than all of those dudes. In fact, almost every starter in baseball can bring a standard Nolan Ryan 95 mph fastball, or better. The league average is just under 95 today. 20 years ago it was about 90. If we get back to the 1930s when guys were going 300 innings, it was expected to be in the low 80's. A sorry Nick Nastrini dropped into the Babe Ruth era would be the GOAT. It's about effort, not length in 2025. There is a reason no one ever tried to get Usian Bolt to run 9.7 pace for 26 miles, and that is it is impossible. It's the same with starters. If you are going to throw harder, your outings will be shorter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry McNertney Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 A pitcher doesn't have to throw hard to win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 10 minutes ago, Jerry McNertney said: A pitcher doesn't have to throw hard to win games. Then why does batting average drop the harder a pitcher throws? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 27 minutes ago, Jerry McNertney said: A pitcher doesn't have to throw hard to win games. No, but it definitely improves their chances. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 Maybe lower the mound ? I don't know...maybe I am just frustrated that the Sox have not been hitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 24 minutes ago, tray said: Maybe lower the mound ? I don't know...maybe I am just frustrated that the Sox have not been hitting. lack of experience - 2026 will be more interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 As soon as the leadoff guy got on in bottom of the 9th, I felt it was gonna end in walk off fashion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 7 hours ago, Snopek said: The game is ruined? Yes. The fanbase is mainly old people. The traditional stats are dead and gone. Batting average doesn't matter. RBIs don't matter. A .220 batting average is fine nowadays as long as you stroke a lot of home runs. And pitching has been decimated/boring with the five inning max starter, 100 pitches. Games still take too long and too many pitchers are used. It is very very boring without personalities and goals to achieve as far as the old time stats that determined Hall entry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 11 minutes ago, greg775 said: Yes. The fanbase is mainly old people. The traditional stats are dead and gone. Batting average doesn't matter. RBIs don't matter. A .220 batting average is fine nowadays as long as you stroke a lot of home runs. And pitching has been decimated/boring with the five inning max starter, 100 pitches. Games still take too long and too many pitchers are used. It is very very boring without personalities and goals to achieve as far as the old time stats that determined Hall entry. This is why people make fun of old people type of a post. Not to mention games are taking less time than they have for decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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