LUIS ROBERT TRADED

[Eminor3rd]

3 hours ago, Dick Allen said:

Say last june, Chris Getz decided to do something more his speed and become a ski instructor leaving the White Sox GM job open and JR to have to actually interview candidates. You have an interview and he asks what you would do with Robert. You say you would have to pick up his option, you may be able to get Luisangel Acuna for him. JR later looks him up in BR. I'm guessing you wouldn't get another interview.

And notably, Acuna’s value was substantially higher at that time. 

[WestEddy]

49 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Eddy is so funny, swear to god. This guy was just spending days telling us Getz actually wasnt trying to trade Robert and would hold team hostages for his talent.

Wait, are you referring to this? That wasn't the discussion at all. SS2k5 was upset because Getz wasn't speaking to the press without a filter on his every move as GM. I guess things people don't say are funny. 

 

 

[FriendlyNorthsider]

Not picking up Robert’s contract would’ve been malpractice. Next years outfield class is awful so that club option is pretty valuable as a flier. The worst case scenario is you spend 22M on a flier of a 28 year old that is 2 years removed from a 5+ war season. As disappointing as he was last year he had an 800 ops in the second half with 11 steals with positive defensive value at center. The upside was way too high to not pick it up. He has the same bat speed and exit velo he did in 2023. He’s  not a lost cause. 
 

The real question is whether or not this was the right return. Middle Infield/Third is not a team need in the present or the future. You already have Bonemer, roch (probably) Montgomery, Meidroth, Carlson, and Vargas.  Thats your top prospect, your first overall pick, your best young player, a key piece that you acquired for your franchise starter, your most recent first rounder and the headliner of the Kopech trade. 
 

Acuna could probably play center effectively. Hes played 37 games there in the majors and Minor but his range should play. Whether he has the arm im not entirely sure but I think he could be good. A realistic but optimistic viewpoint of him is as a 8-9 hitter that can steal you some bags and hit 5-10 homers while playing above average defense. I think his ceiling is higher as a middle infielder because I think there is a much better chance of getting him to be an elite defender there. 

I have no doubt this was the best offer at the moment, but also realize that there are way fewer buyers now than in June. Bellinger was still on the market and cap conscious teams aren’t as willing to make the bet on Robert now as they would be when his hit is 8-10M in July and he comes with the club option sweetener. 

Getting a power hitting prospect, true CF propsect or starter would add a lot more value IMO. If Robert flops you eat rhe money and lose out on acuna. N the downside for a rebuilding team with very little on the books is low 

[WhiteSox2023]

3 minutes ago, joejoesox said:

FIVE YEARS WHAT

That was per WestEddy.

[Green Line]

This is ridiculous

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

5 minutes ago, ChiSoxFanMike said:

Acuna’s lack of power concerns me a lot. And I know he just had that 4 HR game, but he has never hit for much if any power even in the minors.

My only hope is that maybe Fuller sees something in him he thinks he can tweak. Either way, he’ll probably get a ton of run in CF because they have no one else.

Guys, I can't take anymore Fuller will fix 'em MEMEs. My stomach is sore from all the laughing. Let's take it easy.

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

6 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Wait, are you referring to this? That wasn't the discussion at all. SS2k5 was upset because Getz wasn't speaking to the press without a filter on his every move as GM. I guess things people don't say are funny. 

 

 

HUH? You quote the wrong guy?

 No I'm talking about you telling us the Sox picked up Roberts option with the intention of keeping him, and would not give him away to save money. You then presented all these articles and quotes where Getz claimed he was their "CF this year" and claimed Getzy was playing 4D chess over there.

Turned out they wanted to save 2 million so they picked up his option to give him away.

Edited 1 hour ago by Look at Ray Ray Run

[ChiSoxFanMike]

The other thing I don’t understand about this is the timing. If they were going to dump Robert all along, why not do it at the beginning of the offseason? Because at this point, the free agent group is pretty picked over.

[WhiteSox2023]

2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

HUH? You quote the wrong guy?

 No I'm talking about you telling us the Sox picked up Roberts option with the intention of keeping him, and would not give him away to save money. You then presented all these articles and quotes where Getz claimed he was their "CF this year" and claimed Getzy was playing 4D chess over there.

Turned out they wanted to save 2 million so they picked up his option to give him away.

@Tony already posted the evidence on page 13 of this thread.  WE literally contorted his stance on the Robert trade discussions six ways from Sunday to put Getz in the best possible light each time.  If Getz ever runs for office, I know who he should hire as his campaign manager.

 

[WestEddy]

2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

HUH? You quote the wrong guy?

 No I'm talking about you telling us the Sox picked up Roberts option with the intention of keeping him, and would not give him away to save money. You then presented all these articles and quotes where Getz claimed he was their "CF this year" and claimed Getzy was playing 4D chess over there.

Turned out they wanted to save 2 million so they picked up his option to give him away.

Yeah, that's a normal, logical take that half the board here had. I suppose you expect Getz to go to the press and tell them that he has to trade Robert because he made a grave mistake by picking up his option, because he doesn't know how the system works. That's stupid. 

I'd love to continue a conversation with a person making up quotes, but I have to go be embarrassed that the Brewers protected Oliver Dunn instead of Shane Smith. 

[Eminor3rd]

I’ll also add that I don’t necessarily have a problem with Getz having held Robert this long. Obviously I’d have to see what the offers were to be certain, but the reality is that he’s been at least a reasonable bet to have a way better season than his last every year of his career. At the end of the day, he just never bounced back. It didn’t work out but the gamble was always defensible.

The issue I have is being cheap when you still had one more chance to roll the dice. $20M is a lot of money, sure, but the payroll even WITH him was set to be in the $80-something range, which is borderline malpractice to begin with.

Serious question, as someone who doesn’t follow anything but baseball really: Is there a major sports franchise that’s less fun to root for?

[Dick Allen]

2 minutes ago, ChiSoxFanMike said:

The other thing I don’t understand about this is the timing. If they were going to dump Robert all along, why not do it at the beginning of the offseason? Because at this point, the free agent group is pretty picked over.

Eddy has told us there is no one off the board that the Sox would have been interested in.

[Dick Allen]

2 minutes ago, Eminor3rd said:

I’ll also add that I don’t necessarily have a problem with Getz having held Robert this long. Obviously I’d have to see what the offers were to be certain, but the reality is that he’s been at least a reasonable bet to have a way better season than his last every year of his career. At the end of the day, he just never bounced back. It didn’t work out but the gamble was always defensible.

The issue I have is being cheap when you still had one more chance to roll the dice. $20M is a lot of money, sure, but the payroll even WITH him was set to be in the $80-something range, which is borderline malpractice to begin with.

Serious question, as someone who doesn’t follow anything but baseball really: Is there a major sports franchise that’s less fun to root for?

The Bulls have to be fairly close. Their goal is NBA hell.

[fathom]

8 minutes ago, ChiSoxFanMike said:

The other thing I don’t understand about this is the timing. If they were going to dump Robert all along, why not do it at the beginning of the offseason? Because at this point, the free agent group is pretty picked over.

Cause they weren’t going to go after the higher priced guys who went already.  

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

8 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

@Tony already posted the evidence on page 13 of this thread.  WE literally contorted his stance on the Robert trade discussions six ways from Sunday to put Getz in the best possible light each time.  If Getz ever runs for office, I know who he should hire as his campaign manager.

 

Missed that, glad he brought more than the one receipt I did. Eddy must be allergic to criticizing Getz and with the US healthcare system he can't get an epipen so he's playing it safe! 

Wonder how much Getz was sweating after telling Jerry he could save him 2 million if he spent 20 million for a couple weeks. Guy probably threw a party when Tucker went to the Dodgers!

[WhiteSox2023]

3 minutes ago, fathom said:

Cause they weren’t going to go after the higher priced guys who went already.  

Probably true, but while there are still some decent starting pitchers left, there is not much left at the other position of need for the Sox.  What is left among FA outfielders?  Bader, Hays, and Conforto?

[WhiteSox2023]

11 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

The Bulls have to be fairly close. Their goal is NBA hell.

Hey now, maintaining that status quo for all these years is a pretty impressive feat.

[fathom]

2 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Probably true, but while there are still some decent starting pitchers left, there is not much left at the other position of need for the Sox.  What is left among FA outfielders?  Bader, Hays, and Conforto?

Who signed already that you think would have been realistic?  They also waited because they wanted someone to cave and take on the whole deal.

[ChiSoxFanMike]

9 minutes ago, fathom said:

Cause they weren’t going to go after the higher priced guys who went already.  

So they should have just kept Robert then because the reallocation of this $20 million won’t be on anyone of significance.

[CWSpalehoseCWS]

12 minutes ago, ChiSoxFanMike said:

The other thing I don’t understand about this is the timing. If they were going to dump Robert all along, why not do it at the beginning of the offseason? Because at this point, the free agent group is pretty picked over.

Because Getz overplayed his hand and was asking for too much initially. They've been trying to move him for 2 offseason now. Perhaps he anticipated being able to pick up some salary to increase the return package. Mune's signing certainly threw a wrench into the Sox offseason/payroll expectations. We also don't know for sure what the Mets offer was early in the offseason. With Belly finally back with the Yankees, it seems to me the Mets needed to act immediately to secure an OF. This Sox team was never going to be all that great with or without Robert. He was ultimately a sunk cost that wasn't going to be around for the next time the Sox would be good again. Hopefully Getz can use that money to add a few other pieces and they are able to develop some of these former top prospects into something useful.

[fathom]

5 minutes ago, ChiSoxFanMike said:

So they should have just kept Robert then because the reallocation of this $20 million won’t be on anyone of significance.

They feel they need 2-3 pieces for that same 20 million.

[46DidIt]

Trade Sosa, Benintendi and $15 million split over two years to the Pirates for Thomas Harrington and Tony Blanco, Jr. 

Trade Quero to Rays for Jacob Melton 

Sign Giolito

Rotation depth: Giolito, Smith, Martin, Kay, Harrington, Burke, Thorpe, Hagen, Schultz

Near future OF: Melton, Acuña, Montgomery

[ChiSoxFanMike]

3 minutes ago, fathom said:

They feel they need 2-3 pieces for that same 20 million.

Welcome Martin Perez, Michael Conforto, and Tommy Kahnle! Hooray!

[Lukakke Appling]

Jesus Christ. Glad I missed this one!

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

23 minutes ago, ChiSoxFanMike said:

The other thing I don’t understand about this is the timing. If they were going to dump Robert all along, why not do it at the beginning of the offseason? Because at this point, the free agent group is pretty picked over.

Clearly you havent paid much attention the arguments as to how the Murakami signing changed the dynamic on how they may have viewed trading Robert.