10 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Philly would never make that trade....Gonzalez would need to put up an 800+ ops for June/July.

They're not going to replace Turner any time soon.

Maybe 2B...but not at the cost of Painter.

Painter stinks.

1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Painter stinks.

And was just demoted to AAA with a 7.08 ERA.

2 hours ago, GreenSox said:

Buying is for suckers.
Dodgers sold at the 2025 deadline and now have the AAA home run leader.  Rays and Brewers don’t buy much (a little on the margins). Sonny Gray?  Salary dump price, no more.  He could turn into Shields tomorrow.  Mets bought Peralta.  Orioles bought Shane Baz. 
Suckers.   

This is a way too simplistic way of looking at things. Going “all in” at the trade deadline may be foolish, but augmenting your roster with non elite prospects is something any serious GM should be doing to some extent.

And in the case of the Dodgers, they traded away a single piece as they had soured on the player and were able to get a nice return. They are also not a good example of anything when they can rock record payrolls that allow them to accumulate significant depth during the offseason.

20 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

I hate trading significant assets for a guy that's ceiling is a back-end rotation piece.

I get that, but I also think Detmers is a bit better than bottom of the rotation. And he's young. Don't think Davis Martin was even in the majors at his age.

I think this org needs to buy some pitching because it's really pretty barren in the minors, and this guy at least has some control and some upside. There really isn't any for sure starting pitching at the major league level right now - hopefully Martin and Shultz but not close to sold on them. So, I guess, where is the pitching going to come from over the next few years?

What are significant assets in your opinion for Detmers? A fringe top 100 prospect?

45 minutes ago, Rusty_Kuntz said:

What are significant assets in your opinion for Detmers? A fringe top 100 prospect?

Detmers will command much more than that IMO. Like a teams number 2 and 3 or 4 prospects. Something like a mid top 100 AND a fringe top 100.

11 minutes ago, hi8is said:

Detmers will command much more than that IMO. Like a teams number 2 and 3 or 4 prospects. Something like a mid top 100 AND a fringe top 100.

That's fair enough, I'm just guessing. I wouldn't give up Bonemer for him, certainly not Bonemer and McD for example.

22 minutes ago, Rusty_Kuntz said:

That's fair enough, I'm just guessing. I wouldn't give up Bonemer for him, certainly not Bonemer and McD for example.

Same here but I’m afraid that is the type of return teams with a controllable frontline starter will want.

3 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Painter stinks.

What reason would they have to believe Gonzalez is any better than Stott at second?

Certainly not from a defensive standpoint.

Veteran teams hardly ever break in rookies at key positions unless there’s an overwhelming reason to make a change.

1 hour ago, hi8is said:

Same here but I’m afraid that is the type of return teams with a controllable frontline starter will want.

So, walk away

Robbie Ray would be a guy I'd be interested in. Would cost very little in prospects (if anything) and be a veteran presence who does carry some upside.

Edited Thursday at 01:15 PM4 days by Squirmin' for Yermin

16 hours ago, Chick Mercedes said:

So, walk away

I'd imagine there's a couple of guys other orgs could find interesting who might be topping out in ours. Bergolla, if he ever gets back on the field. Whatever noise last offseason that made Getz put Duncan Davitt on the 40-man might still be there. Tony DiPino and Colby Shelton are dudes. We're not going after Tarik Skubal, so guys from #8-15 could be enough to get that type that looks like a tweak away from being something, or whatnot.

Tomoyuki Sugano or Robbie Ray shouldn't really cost anything. Detmers or Jose Soriano should be the tier right behind Skubal, but Artie Moreno may think they're another Anthony Rendon away from glory, so they might be asking the Sun, the Moon and the Stars for them.

7 hours ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

Robbie Ray would be a guy I'd be interested in. Would cost very little in prospects (if anything) and be a veteran presence who does carry some upside.

Jerry would approve this move as a cost-saving measure as he wouldn't have to pay full price for the tiny pants Ray wears.

7 hours ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

Robbie Ray would be a guy I'd be interested in. Would cost very little in prospects (if anything) and be a veteran presence who does carry some upside.

That is who I was thinking too a few weeks ago until he ran into a couple starts of a lot of walks haha

Edited Thursday at 09:11 PM3 days by Bob Sacamano

On 6/17/2026 at 9:20 AM, Chicago White Sox said:

Jim Bowden said the Sox were the best fit for Sonny Gray and Aroldis Chapman.

Mark Feinsand had this to say on the matter: “Gray’s market will be limited by his salary,” an anonymous executive told Feinsand. “Contreras is an acquired taste, Duran is having a down season, and Chapman will be a rental reliever. The potential returns for that group will be tempered.”

I remain convinced that Gray is the guy to pursue. Eat the rest of his salary and buyout on his mutual option to limit the prospect cost. We should 100% have the money to do this. He may not be perfect, but he’d be a MASSIVE upgrade.

Sonny Gray seems like an absolute no brainier to me. He shouldn't cost that much given his salary. You'd think Jerry would be willing to take on more Salary if it means competing. Sonny could be the difference between us making and missing the playoffs. They just need more starting pitching.

1 hour ago, ron883 said:

Sonny Gray seems like an absolute no brainier to me. He shouldn't cost that much given his salary. You'd think Jerry would be willing to take on more Salary if it means competing. Sonny could be the difference between us making and missing the playoffs. They just need more starting pitching.

100% agree

1 hour ago, ron883 said:

Sonny Gray seems like an absolute no brainier to me. He shouldn't cost that much given his salary. You'd think Jerry would be willing to take on more Salary if it means competing. Sonny could be the difference between us making and missing the playoffs. They just need more starting pitching.

With the lockout coming up, it's a valid question to ask if he wants to compete.

The only reason they're willing to start adding multi year contract guys in FA is the belief they will need to hit a payroll salary floor number in the next 12-24 months...

All that said, it's suddenly becoming much more interesting now with three key positional starters out for CLE. They're just not going to be able to run away from anyone, and Kwan has had one of his worst seasons so far as well.

1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said:

With the lockout coming up, it's a valid question to ask if he wants to compete.

He doesn't have long to live. I'd imagine he doesn't want to punt a season because of a lockout. You never knew with Jerry though.

7 hours ago, WestEddy said:

I'd imagine there's a couple of guys other orgs could find interesting who might be topping out in ours. Bergolla, if he ever gets back on the field. Whatever noise last offseason that made Getz put Duncan Davitt on the 40-man might still be there. Tony DiPino and Colby Shelton are dudes. We're not going after Tarik Skubal, so guys from #8-15 could be enough to get that type that looks like a tweak away from being something, or whatnot.

Tomoyuki Sugano or Robbie Ray shouldn't really cost anything. Detmers or Jose Soriano should be the tier right behind Skubal, but Artie Moreno may think they're another Anthony Rendon away from glory, so they might be asking the Sun, the Moon and the Stars for them.

I think yeah, that’s about the smart thinking. My concern is trading a top 3 player, or some 17 year old infinite upside Venezuelan we just signed who goes on to be a star for the Padres. Just stay in between the two worst case scenarios, and I’ll be satisfied

At the MLB.com site they had a story today on 10 players likely to be moved.

Chapman, Wacha and Ryan were listed as possibly to the White Sox but not Gray for what it's worth.

5 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

At the MLB.com site they had a story today on 10 players likely to be moved.

Chapman, Wacha and Ryan were listed as possibly to the White Sox but not Gray for what it's worth.

Ryan would cost them Bonemer to start with...and a couple Tier B/C guys.

The Twins would make the Sox pay a heavy heavy price to trade him to their arch rival.

Edited Friday at 04:22 PM2 days by caulfield12

I have a hard time seeing Jerry committing $14M to a 35 year old SP next year. And I’m a little afraid of the price for Wacha + $ kicked in. A patch in the boat for the next year and a 1/2 isn’t worth giving anything of value for.

1 hour ago, TheFutureIsNear said:

I have a hard time seeing Jerry committing $14M to a 35 year old SP next year. And I’m a little afraid of the price for Wacha + $ kicked in. A patch in the boat for the next year and a 1/2 isn’t worth giving anything of value for.

Why would Jerry be afraid to commit $14M next year when we have one of the lowest payrolls in baseball?