3 hours ago, soxrwhite said:

Yeah I think JR said "we draft Thome's kid". You know JR's loyalty to certain people. Loyalty to the fans and the White Sox?............ f***"em!

Yes, we sure had it stuck up our asses this season. The team's tied for first place at the ASB, basically 3 years ahead of schedule.

3 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Yes, we sure had it stuck up our asses this season. The team's tied for first place at the ASB, basically 3 years ahead of schedule.

Wait until people hear about what Roch said about JR's office and interview.

12 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

They've already given Mead away from free to have him have a 124 wRC+.

This will be my last post on the topic. I've spent too many word on it.

Boston Smith will be a ranked prospect this off-season. Adrian Houser was basically found money. We'll see what Duncan Davitt turns into.

Edited July 12Jul 12 by WestEddy

12 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

There are multiple factors here. I don't expect everyone to like it and I definitely understand the consternation. I think it's important to realize that this front office didn't draft Jacob Gonzalez and he wasn't likely part of their future plans as another LHH infielder despite the breakout. The White Sox just treated him as found money essentially. For him, they create two needed 40-man spots and add essentially $3 million to their pool. If they take a prep guy at 34 at near slot, it's another highly regarded prospect added to the system but it also increases their pool by $1 million with the overage. They went from $18.5 million to $21.5 million. It allows two extra prep swings essentially. This doesn't mean that the White Sox won't be buying. They owe it to the club to buy. This was just an opportunity to sell high on a guy that wasn't in their plans.

12 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said:

He wasn’t part of anyone’s future plans heading into this year. And became an after thought last year.

Having said that, still would have preferred to use him in a trade for a SP.

I wish I understood the draft to understand how some players would save from a slot standpoint depending on who is selected with a pick. Like someone mentioned how selecting Lackey would save money at 1-1 compared to the other dudes.

To Bob’s point, I want them to have ammo to trade for starting pitching, preferably with a contract that goes into 2028.

I was hoping to get some more athleticism so far but they are starting to develop some types.

They aren’t behind schedule and can probably get a few interesting players.

3 hours ago, ron883 said:

Yep. I think it's possible Jerry told him to do anything it takes to get Landon.

Somehow, I don’t think Getz and Shirley came up with this scheme on their own

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

Yes, we sure had it stuck up our asses this season. The team's tied for first place at the ASB, basically 3 years ahead of schedule.

In spite of JR not because of him.

10 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

It was like 5 seconds ago that teams weren't willing to trade young bats because they were so valuable, and now dumping a young bat with position flexibility, including the middle infield, for a guy who you hope will be as good as Gonzalez is today, is a slam dunk? I feel like Gonzalez could have been a piece in a deal for an SP based on the last few deadlines, so to see him go NOW for hope 3-5 years down the road is just strange.

It was like 5 seconds ago that in the past couple of years that you likely didn't say one nice thing about Jacob Gonzalez but plenty of terrible things about the Sox. I realize there was merit in a lot of that and you weren't alone.

But here you are again sticking to the Sox suck narrative. If you had balanced that narrative out at all with some semblance of hope once it became apparent that things have been turning around but your point rings hollow and as just another dig at the Sox.

I'm watching Herb Lawrence return to the CHGO White Sox podcast. He too didn't want to give Getz a chance and he is giddy at the turn of events and readily admits he was wrong, wrong wrong because as a Sox fan he rather admit his failure than see the Sox fail.

Rock bottom has become Roch Hard , maybe try relaxing your sphincter just a little bit.

Did I like seeing Gonzalez go ? No, but then again I like guys like him because it's just further proof that the Sox have a dynamic team of coaches who can get the most out of a decent amount of guys . You were too busy crying over 2024 that you forgot to have an open mind when all signs were pointing to Getz hiring the right people and building something based on a solid foundation of player development. You had seen it all before, no chance they actually made a real turn around.

6 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

It was like 5 seconds ago that in the past couple of years that you likely didn't say one nice thing about Jacob Gonzalez but plenty of terrible things about the Sox. I realize there was merit in a lot of that and you weren't alone.

But here you are again sticking to the Sox suck narrative. If you had balanced that narrative out at all with some semblance of hope once it became apparent that things have been turning around but your point rings hollow and as just another dig at the Sox.

I'm watching Herb Lawrence return to the CHGO White Sox podcast. He too didn't want to give Getz a chance and he is giddy at the turn of events and readily admits he was wrong, wrong wrong because as a Sox fan he rather admit his failure than see the Sox fail.

Rock bottom has become Roch Hard , maybe try relaxing your sphincter just a little bit.

Did I like seeing Gonzalez go ? No, but then again I like guys like him because it's just further proof that the Sox have a dynamic team of coaches who can get the most out of a decent amount of guys . You were too busy crying over 2024 that you forgot to have an open mind when all signs were pointing to Getz hiring the right people and building something based on a solid foundation of player development. You had seen it all before, no chance they actually made a real turn around.

Oh hell yeah, this is awesome to find out.

6 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I don’t think Gonzalez is going to be a superstar but from a pure value standpoint, Ray Ray is probably right.

What is pure value? All of a sudden you value or over value Gonzo ? Love the kid , love his attitude and how he never gave up but there are very few starting pitchers of consequence out there who Gonzalez would move the needle very much. He did however move the needle on a very real chance to re-stock the farm system when so many had graduated to the MLB team.

Sure many here have realized that Getz knows a little something about building a player development system. Just because the Sox are hovering around .500 in a weak year for the AL does not mean you start going hog wild and abandon what got you this far.

In a year in which they one of the best draft positions since 1977 Getz chose to take advantage of that and add more talent that his staff can develop.

Unless you were under a rock today you probably heard how impressed Cholowsky was when he came here and witnessed just how special the atmosphere around the team was and told his agent to make it happen to get him on the Sox.

6 hours ago, GreenSox said:

Mead and Gonzalez are different situations. We would never have had Mead had Getz not signed Hauser and flipped him for Mead. Can't blame Getz for Mead as we'd have never had Mead, but for Getz, I also think it's possible that had we kept Mead, Peters might have been squeezed out. I didn't like Mead much, but I was wrong.
Gonzalez was the Sox all along; and he might turn into a really productive player. But I think it's pretty obvious that he wasn't on Getz' & Co.'s A-list (sending him down was the final sign). So they got something for him. Tatis - they got nothing. The Samardzija deal (which might have been worse) - 1 year of an average pitcher. At least Thome might be good.

I do like the flip of relief pitchers, and the 40-man relief.

Yes they are different situations but the fact remains that Mead didn't perform when given the chance and you have limited opportunities to do so with a team that is cycling through players so fast. I think getting him was Getz doing what he should be doing.

Sox had a glance at Gonzo but only the good Gonzo for a few months and decided to cash in after feeding the slot machine for a while and it finally paid off.

I think the Sox got great value for trading Gonzalez for the 34th pick and the bonus pool money . Having the #1 pick and all the money that came with it was the perfect time to restock their minor leagues.

Edited July 12Jul 12 by Falstaff

33 minutes ago, Falstaff said:

I think the Sox got great value for trading Gonzalez for the 34th pick and the bonus pool money . Having the #1 pick and all the money that came with it was the perfect time to restock their minor leagues.

I need to wait and see what Thome signs for before we can really say this isn’t just a 1x1 swap. I hope he took $500k below slot and those savings can be repurposed, but honestly am guessing he got the full $2.9M based on what his former teammate Fauske got from us last year.

Edited July 12Jul 12 by Chicago White Sox

I loved that Gonzalez finally had some success. He was log jammed here. Getting something for him could have been selling high. We have no idea what other teams thought of him value wise. I had proposed him keying a Sonny Gray and Chapman deal if Chapman's 2027 was locked in. Likely Boston would have laughed. I haven't seen anyone mention what would happen if Gonzalez was disappointed he got sent down and struggled for a week or two. With 3 years of OPS below .700, what do you think would have happened to his value?

9 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

It was like 5 seconds ago that in the past couple of years that you likely didn't say one nice thing about Jacob Gonzalez but plenty of terrible things about the Sox. I realize there was merit in a lot of that and you weren't alone.

But here you are again sticking to the Sox suck narrative. If you had balanced that narrative out at all with some semblance of hope once it became apparent that things have been turning around but your point rings hollow and as just another dig at the Sox.

I'm watching Herb Lawrence return to the CHGO White Sox podcast. He too didn't want to give Getz a chance and he is giddy at the turn of events and readily admits he was wrong, wrong wrong because as a Sox fan he rather admit his failure than see the Sox fail.

Rock bottom has become Roch Hard , maybe try relaxing your sphincter just a little bit.

Did I like seeing Gonzalez go ? No, but then again I like guys like him because it's just further proof that the Sox have a dynamic team of coaches who can get the most out of a decent amount of guys . You were too busy crying over 2024 that you forgot to have an open mind when all signs were pointing to Getz hiring the right people and building something based on a solid foundation of player development. You had seen it all before, no chance they actually made a real turn around.

It is just sad that stalking me is all you have in life. You literally can't handle it.

9 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

It was like 5 seconds ago that in the past couple of years that you likely didn't say one nice thing about Jacob Gonzalez but plenty of terrible things about the Sox. I realize there was merit in a lot of that and you weren't alone.

But here you are again sticking to the Sox suck narrative. If you had balanced that narrative out at all with some semblance of hope once it became apparent that things have been turning around but your point rings hollow and as just another dig at the Sox.

I'm watching Herb Lawrence return to the CHGO White Sox podcast. He too didn't want to give Getz a chance and he is giddy at the turn of events and readily admits he was wrong, wrong wrong because as a Sox fan he rather admit his failure than see the Sox fail.

Rock bottom has become Roch Hard , maybe try relaxing your sphincter just a little bit.

Did I like seeing Gonzalez go ? No, but then again I like guys like him because it's just further proof that the Sox have a dynamic team of coaches who can get the most out of a decent amount of guys . You were too busy crying over 2024 that you forgot to have an open mind when all signs were pointing to Getz hiring the right people and building something based on a solid foundation of player development. You had seen it all before, no chance they actually made a real turn around.

Positional and hitting development has gotten better. In my opinion there's still plenty of question marks on the pitching development.

Days later, I'm still shocked that anybody actually cares about Jacob Gonzalez. That being said, I am not shocked that SoxTalk posters are looking for reasons to be upset.

1 hour ago, nrockway said:

Days later, I'm still shocked that anybody actually cares about Jacob Gonzalez. That being said, I am not shocked that SoxTalk posters are looking for reasons to be upset.

What’s weird is that liking Jacob Gonzalez is apparently frowned upon despite Kiley McDaniel ranking him our 2nd best prospect and Keith Law referring to him as a potential star. I’m about as optimistic as it comes, but don’t think trading him for Landon Thome is good value. Sorry if that’s upsetting to you.

5 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

What’s weird is that liking Jacob Gonzalez is apparently frowned upon despite Kiley McDaniel ranking him our 2nd best prospect and Keith Law referring to him as a potential star. I’m about as optimistic as it comes, but don’t think trading him for Landon Thome is good value. Sorry if that’s upsetting to you.

He’s almost certainly not a potential star. That Law puff piece was absurd. Seemed to help his trade value though.

I don’t wanna s%*# on the guy, but he wasn’t beating out anybody on this team because he isn’t good enough. That 34th pick could be a total bust and he’s still impacting the Chicago White Sox as much as Gonzalez was. Maybe less because Gonzo is genuinely good injury depth; however Thome (or whoever else could’ve been selected) could be an actual difference maker.

Sold at what is almost certainly the height of his value for a well-weighted lottery ticket. I love these kinds of deals, it’s exactly what they didn’t do with Cease and Robert.

3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

What’s weird is that liking Jacob Gonzalez is apparently frowned upon despite Kiley McDaniel ranking him our 2nd best prospect and Keith Law referring to him as a potential star. I’m about as optimistic as it comes, but don’t think trading him for Landon Thome is good value. Sorry if that’s upsetting to you.

I don't fully agree with you, but I respect your opinion. You don't have the reputation of hanging around a string and just trashing something for the reaction, which I believe are the dudes Rockway refers to.

Gonzo has big upside, now that he's worked on his swing. I believe Pittsburgh "won" the trade". If the power is real, the trade could even move into the "regrettable" column in the coming years. They wanted Thome, tho.

For all the talk of trading a #15 pick for a #34, if Thome has the make-up, talent and unrealized growth that's being thrown around, he could become a much more attractive prospect than Gonzo. I just think Gonzo's All-Star takes are a little out there at this point.

Edited July 12Jul 12 by WestEddy

13 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

I don't fully agree with you, but I respect your opinion. You don't have the reputation of hanging around a string and just trashing something for the reaction, which I believe are the dudes Rockway refers to.

Gonzo has big upside, now that he's worked on his swing. I believe Pittsburgh "won" the trade". If the power is real, the trade could even move into the "regrettable" column in the coming years. They wanted Thome, tho.

For all the talk of trading a #15 pick for a #34, if Thome has the make-up, talent and unrealized growth that's being thrown around, he could become a much more attractive prospect than Gonzo. I just think Gonzo's All-Star takes are a little out there at this point.

Nice self-own

13 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Nice self-own

It is just sad that stalking me is all you have in life. You literally can't handle it.

52 minutes ago, nrockway said:

He’s almost certainly not a potential star. That Law puff piece was absurd. Seemed to help his trade value though.

I don’t wanna s%*# on the guy, but he wasn’t beating out anybody on this team because he isn’t good enough. That 34th pick could be a total bust and he’s still impacting the Chicago White Sox as much as Gonzalez was. Maybe less because Gonzo is genuinely good injury depth; however Thome (or whoever else could’ve been selected) could be an actual difference maker.

Sold at what is almost certainly the height of his value for a well-weighted lottery ticket. I love these kinds of deals, it’s exactly what they didn’t do with Cease and Robert.

In my opinion he was better than Acuna, remember Gonzales is a shortstop by development.

1 hour ago, nrockway said:

He’s almost certainly not a potential star. That Law puff piece was absurd. Seemed to help his trade value though.

I don’t wanna s%*# on the guy, but he wasn’t beating out anybody on this team because he isn’t good enough. That 34th pick could be a total bust and he’s still impacting the Chicago White Sox as much as Gonzalez was. Maybe less because Gonzo is genuinely good injury depth; however Thome (or whoever else could’ve been selected) could be an actual difference maker.

Sold at what is almost certainly the height of his value for a well-weighted lottery ticket. I love these kinds of deals, it’s exactly what they didn’t do with Cease and Robert.

I'm done listening to those nerds Kiley McDaniel and Keith Law (notorious White Sox hater). From now on, I get my prospect updates from SoxTalk poster nrockway. Jacob Gonzalez is a bum.

Edited July 12Jul 12 by ron883

1 hour ago, nrockway said:

He’s almost certainly not a potential star. That Law puff piece was absurd. Seemed to help his trade value though.

I don’t wanna s%*# on the guy, but he wasn’t beating out anybody on this team because he isn’t good enough. That 34th pick could be a total bust and he’s still impacting the Chicago White Sox as much as Gonzalez was. Maybe less because Gonzo is genuinely good injury depth; however Thome (or whoever else could’ve been selected) could be an actual difference maker.

Sold at what is almost certainly the height of his value for a well-weighted lottery ticket. I love these kinds of deals, it’s exactly what they didn’t do with Cease and Robert.

Plot twist: not only does Keith Law NOT hate the White Sox anymore, he is actively helping them by publishing puff pieces to boost their prospect's value.

I didn't see that one coming!