Kalapse Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Sep 12, 2007 -> 09:39 PM) If we don't establish it and drill it into people's heads, they're going to ask why we don't draft someone like Felix Hernandez. I still see the occasional "let's trade the top pick instead" post. Ok, that's fair. So for those who don't know you CAN NOT trade draft picks and you CAN NOT draft non-residents of the USA/Canadia/US Territories. High School players have to graduate and not attend any classes at college in order to be eligible, students at 4 year colleges must be either seniors or graduates or over the age of 20 and you can draft any Junior College player you like, doesn't matter if they're a freshman or Junior they're eligible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 Doesn't Scott Boras usually latch onto one of the top guys? Whoever he gets his hands on, cross him off the Sox list. Exactly. Another reason I don't care about the draft as compared to us winning games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 QUOTE(greg775 @ Sep 13, 2007 -> 04:06 AM) Exactly. Another reason I don't care about the draft as compared to us winning games. There will be more Boras free agents on the market this offseason than Boras first round draft picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 12, 2007 -> 11:42 PM) There will be more Boras free agents on the market this offseason than Boras first round draft picks. And I've already seen people think the Sox will be going after a few of them, notably Andruw Jones and Corey Patterson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 Updated standings: W L LB Tampa Bay 61 85 -- #1 Chicago Sox 62 84 1 #2 Baltimore 61 83 2 #3 Florida 63 83 2 Kansas City 63 82 3 #5 Houston 63 82 3 Pittsburgh 65 81 4 #7 Washington 65 81 4 San Francisco 66 80 5 #9 Cincinnati 66 79 6 #10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 s*** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 Those standings are embarrassing and annoying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 QUOTE(greg775 @ Sep 14, 2007 -> 12:53 AM) Those standings are embarrassing and annoying. I find them embarrassing and enthralling, full of hope for the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 You've go to be f***ing kidding me, Tampa. They're leading 7-1 against Seattle entering the bottom of the 7th and their bullpen implodes. Game lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 Hope for the future? One draft pick? My gosh, how misguided some are. Free agents ... victories ... foreign signees. The draft? One pick? No way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 QUOTE(greg775 @ Sep 14, 2007 -> 04:36 AM) Hope for the future? One draft pick? My gosh, how misguided some are. Free agents ... victories ... foreign signees. The draft? One pick? No way. We're talking, having the opportunity of picking the best guy of 32, at least 20 times. At least see the silver lining for once, because I doubt the Sox will be here again at least for another 15 to 20 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted September 14, 2007 Author Share Posted September 14, 2007 QUOTE(knightni @ Sep 14, 2007 -> 10:16 AM) We're talking, having the opportunity of picking the best guy of 32, at least 20 times. At least see the silver lining for once, because I doubt the Sox will be here again at least for another 15 to 20 years. Exactly. I don't understand why people are in a fuss about this. It's a s***hole season, and the ONLY silver lining is we finally can get an impact player in the draft, which hasn't happened for 20 years. It's the only positive in what's been a terrible 2007 campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 (edited) If Tampa takes a position player no matter how great it is over an A rated pitcher they should be dismantled. Another bat would be great for them but at some point they need pitching of some sort. They are the anti-White Sox when it comes to drafting it seems. Let's hope it pans out being the reason the Trialblazers took Sam Bowie instead of Jordan with the Sox getting the better end of the deal. Edited September 14, 2007 by Jenks Heat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yossarian Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 QUOTE(greg775 @ Sep 14, 2007 -> 02:36 AM) Hope for the future? One draft pick? My gosh, how misguided some are. Free agents ... victories ... foreign signees. The draft? One pick? No way. Give it up. You're not going to change the minds of those that think a number 1 pick in the draft will put the Sox back in the World Series. You're right, but being right rarely matters in sports and in life anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(Yossarian @ Sep 14, 2007 -> 09:19 AM) Give it up. You're not going to change the minds of those that think a number 1 pick in the draft will put the Sox back in the World Series. You're right, but being right rarely matters in sports and in life anymore. Who actually believes one pick alone will place us back into the World Series? The issue here is, looking past these last few weeks, what's better for the future of this ballclub -- winning every game for pride, or losing every game for the possibility of obtaining the 1st pick and having the entire field of talent available to us? At worst (from my perspective), even a mini winning streak shouldn't knock us out of the Top 10. And judging from recent seasons, players such as Jay Bruce, Tim Lincecum, Clayton Kershaw were available around 10-12. We shouldn't all the sudden have no talent available when our opportunity comes to select. Hell, I'm expecting an impact player at whichever position; it's just easier to have our choice at #1 -3 than #7-10. Edited September 14, 2007 by Flash Tizzle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 QUOTE(greg775 @ Sep 14, 2007 -> 03:36 AM) Hope for the future? One draft pick? My gosh, how misguided some are. Free agents ... victories ... foreign signees. The draft? One pick? No way. Greg- If it makes you feel better, there are some of us who still won't actively root against the Sox. But, I don't really care if they win or lose, either. If they win I'm happy, if they lose they get closer to a better pick and I am also happy. Works well either way, really. What is most important, to me, is getting playing time for some of the younger players - that should be the emphasis. And whatever they do, they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 Updated standings: W L LB Tampa Bay 61 86 -- #1 Chicago Sox 62 84 2 #2 Baltimore 62 83 3 #3 Florida 63 83 3 Kansas City 63 82 4 #5 Houston 63 82 4 Pittsburgh 65 81 5 #7 Washington 65 81 5 San Francisco 66 80 6 #9 Cincinnati 66 79 7 #10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 tampa bay's experience is really showign right now. We are just too new to this game to know how to get the first overall pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 f it makes you feel better, there are some of us who still won't actively root against the Sox. But, I don't really care if they win or lose, either. If they win I'm happy, if they lose they get closer to a better pick and I am also happy. Works well either way, really. What is most important, to me, is getting playing time for some of the younger players - that should be the emphasis. And whatever they do, they do. I agree with your position. What will be will be ... that's fine with me. I just don't understand those who copy Cub fans and actively want us to lose. I don't get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 QUOTE(greg775 @ Sep 14, 2007 -> 09:47 PM) I agree with your position. What will be will be ... that's fine with me. I just don't understand those who copy Cub fans and actively want us to lose. I don't get it. Here you go: Wins don't do anything for the franchise at the moment. Losses could. Understand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted September 15, 2007 Share Posted September 15, 2007 If the season ended now: 1. Devil Rays 2. Astros 3. Orioles 4. Sox 5. Royals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 Here you go: Wins don't do anything for the franchise at the moment. Losses could. Understand? No I do not understand. a.) Wins may not do anything for the franchise "at the moment" as you say. They can help young players' confidence for the future and please the fans who pay top dollar to see the team WIN, not lose to get some draft pick who the team might be too cheap to sign anyway and will be four seasons from even making the big league club. b.) You say "losses could." Could is the key word. Since there's no guarantee, I prefer WINS. So NO I do not understand. Can you try again? GO SOX! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 Updated standings: W L LB Tampa Bay 62 87 -- #1 Chicago Sox 63 85 2 #2 Baltimore 63 84 3 #3 Kansas City 63 84 3 Houston 64 84 3 #5 Florida 65 83 4 #6 Pittsburgh 65 82 5 #7 Washington 66 82 5 #8 San Francisco 66 82 5 Cincinnati 68 80 7 #10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 I wouldnt really care where we picked as long as we made a good pick. But the sox have proved that they dont draft the best guys out there, and i think an oppurtunity like a #1 pick would force the sox to draft the best and not the most signable. Nobody can deny that a team needs a good draft and development to succeed. Look at the Red Sox, yes they have expensive guys with heavy contracts but they can afford those because they have younger guys playing key roles cheaply. I dont think KW and JR would ever pass up the next Pujols or ARod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 QUOTE(greg775 @ Sep 16, 2007 -> 04:24 AM) No I do not understand. a.) Wins may not do anything for the franchise "at the moment" as you say. They can help young players' confidence for the future and please the fans who pay top dollar to see the team WIN, not lose to get some draft pick who the team might be too cheap to sign anyway and will be four seasons from even making the big league club. b.) You say "losses could." Could is the key word. Since there's no guarantee, I prefer WINS. So NO I do not understand. Can you try again? GO SOX! Do you even realize how quickly college players who are drafted in the first few picks are making the majors these days? Guys like Braun, Lincecum, Zimmerman, Gordon, Troy T. Morrow, Verlander, etc. all made the majors within 2 years or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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