winninguglyin83 Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Carasaco has been an expected blessing. Not sure how much longer it can continue. My guess is that Broadway is a temporary move until Kenny williams finds a recycled veteran somewhere. No matter what we get, it's a patch. Nothing more, nothing less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeFabregas Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 QUOTE (quickman @ Aug 10, 2008 -> 09:33 AM) what other suggestions do you have? Poreda or Egbert, maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 I expect we'll see Broadway get a start against Kansas City. For several reasons it makes alot of sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeFabregas Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Broadway to the pen, Carrasco to the rotation per WSCR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 QUOTE (scenario @ Aug 10, 2008 -> 10:09 AM) I expect we'll see Broadway get a start against Kansas City. For several reasons it makes alot of sense. Sure because pitching in late September with 2 dead teams translates to this year in a pennant race with a team that there is bad blood with. Hopefully the kids in the outfield are warned of the flying objects leaving the ballpark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Wow, I just noticed this. Horacio Ramirez had a nice run with ATL a few years back, and has some decent talent. A nice for nothing pickup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 10, 2008 -> 11:50 AM) At least 2-3 more weeks, if then...not looking especially optimistic. Is Hermanson finally ready, lol? We already tried Loiaza. Man, he's been out FOREVER. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 QUOTE (JorgeFabregas @ Aug 10, 2008 -> 12:13 PM) Broadway to the pen, Carrasco to the rotation per WSCR. Oh my God, this can't be happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Aug 10, 2008 -> 10:13 AM) Hopefully the kids in the outfield are warned of the flying objects leaving the ballpark. LOL. Yeah, maybe they should have a Lance Broadway hard-hat day. On the bright-side, his splits suggest he might do decently against right-handers. But lefties have brutalized him this year. http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/st...&pid=473560 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 QUOTE (quickman @ Aug 10, 2008 -> 03:22 PM) fathom as I have stated in an earlier thread, there is insurance for this type of thing, his salary will be offset. I would imagine Jose will return around the ASB next year, in which case the insurance would be void. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 hey, like fields, Borchard, McCullough and royce Ring, he's a number one draft pick. bring back Matt Ginter or Jon Rauch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 10, 2008 -> 10:47 AM) I would imagine Jose will return around the ASB next year, in which case the insurance would be void. I think the insurance works based on the number of games/starts missed. Wells went down fairly early in 2001, maybe six weeks into the season...I think the White Sox ended up getting something in the neighborhood of $4-6 million back in an insurance payment. Now do we want to use that money on paying half of Washburn's salary for 2009? I would guess that Seattle can either take back half of our farm system and subsidize his contract (what ended up losing Chris Young in the Vazquez deal) or we can agree to pay it and give up very little, like the Griffey deal. Typically, JR has always sided with taking the money and giving up talent, but I don't think we can afford to do it this time. Giving up Poreda to save the money on Washburn's contract for 2009 would be a waste, IMO. Edited August 10, 2008 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Aug 10, 2008 -> 11:19 AM) Oh my God, this can't be happening. Im guessing Carassco is slotted there, but wont start. KW will pick up a veteran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 9, 2008 -> 11:27 PM) It's amazing what's happened in the last 48 hours with regards to next year. 3rd base and #5 starter are serious holes. If I was KW and/or Ozzie, I'd go into spring training with the idea of having Matt Thornton compete for a starting job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 If I was KW and/or Ozzie, I'd go into spring training with the idea of having Matt Thornton compete for a starting job. He doesn't throw enough strikes. A one or two inning guy is where he will be most successful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 QUOTE (santo=dorf @ Aug 10, 2008 -> 05:46 PM) He doesn't throw enough strikes. A one or two inning guy is where he will be most successful. Thornton had trouble throwing strikes lately, but that's not why he's a bad choice to start. He's only got 2 pitches - that's a big problem #1. Problem two is that a guy who throws 97 and has been in the pen for years, probably isn't going to be able to keep throwing 97 as a starter for a 5 or 6 inning stint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 QUOTE (shipps @ Aug 10, 2008 -> 08:51 AM) wite will keep us posted if anything happens on that situation. I could see it happening if the M's like Shelby enough and if the Sox view him as a replaceable piece within the organization. The Sox would include more, but Shelby would almost certainly have to be the piece that made or broke the trade (on an unrelated note, made or broke isn't nearly as cool as make or break). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 10, 2008 -> 11:57 AM) I think the insurance works based on the number of games/starts missed. Wells went down fairly early in 2001, maybe six weeks into the season...I think the White Sox ended up getting something in the neighborhood of $4-6 million back in an insurance payment. Now do we want to use that money on paying half of Washburn's salary for 2009? I would guess that Seattle can either take back half of our farm system and subsidize his contract (what ended up losing Chris Young in the Vazquez deal) or we can agree to pay it and give up very little, like the Griffey deal. Typically, JR has always sided with taking the money and giving up talent, but I don't think we can afford to do it this time. Giving up Poreda to save the money on Washburn's contract for 2009 would be a waste, IMO. There are essentially two types of insurance. The normal worker's comp like every company has where the worker gets paid 66% of the salary without taxes. The other is a policy that can is arranged separately with the club and a re-insurer such as Loyd's of London where a pre-arranged amount of the total will be paid based on the amount of time the player missed based on the normal workload. This was the problem with the A-Rod contract over the 10 years. The Rangers couldn't get the entire contract covered and had to settle for only a portion being covered. Thus, the ballclub has to assume a greater debt if the player misses significant time. All of the policies are individually arranged based on factors such as age, inujury history ... Ihave no idea what Jose's was but it should pay out well. An achilles tendon repair in a guy his age is a 6-8 month rehab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 10, 2008 -> 07:49 PM) I could see it happening if the M's like Shelby enough and if the Sox view him as a replaceable piece within the organization. The Sox would include more, but Shelby would almost certainly have to be the piece that made or broke the trade (on an unrelated note, made or broke isn't nearly as cool as make or break). would certainly have to be the "make or break" piece of the trading puzzle...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 QUOTE (ptatc @ Aug 10, 2008 -> 10:21 PM) There are essentially two types of insurance. The normal worker's comp like every company has where the worker gets paid 66% of the salary without taxes. The other is a policy that can is arranged separately with the club and a re-insurer such as Loyd's of London where a pre-arranged amount of the total will be paid based on the amount of time the player missed based on the normal workload. This was the problem with the A-Rod contract over the 10 years. The Rangers couldn't get the entire contract covered and had to settle for only a portion being covered. Thus, the ballclub has to assume a greater debt if the player misses significant time. All of the policies are individually arranged based on factors such as age, inujury history ... Ihave no idea what Jose's was but it should pay out well. An achilles tendon repair in a guy his age is a 6-8 month rehab. Actually, now that you mention it, I think the policy was through Lloyd's of London. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 10, 2008 -> 09:39 PM) would certainly have to be the "make or break" piece of the trading puzzle...? Actually, I hadn't even considered the fact that the M's have the #1 waiver priority, so it wouldn't be make or break. If they had the #2 priority, any young player the Sox put on waivers would get scooped up instantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoedairy Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 DJ said we got Ramirez in a trade for Orlando Paulo. not sure who that is exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 QUOTE (joejoedairy @ Aug 11, 2008 -> 02:00 AM) DJ said we got Ramirez in a trade for Orlando Paulo. not sure who that is exactly Paulo Orlando...low level (at best) C prospect who we will never miss and whose chances of making it (even to the Royals) are about 1/1000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Prospects that are liked: Minor league stats dont matter Prospects that arent: Hard hat day at the Cell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 11, 2008 -> 05:44 AM) Prospects that are liked: Minor league stats dont matter Prospects that arent: Hard hat day at the Cell Considering Broadway has allowed 48 runs and 13 homers his last 65 innings in AAA, I think hard hats is a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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