southsideirish71 Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 21, 2010 -> 11:24 AM) Last year, he started doing that a bit more. He actually hit some soft liners and ground balls to the far left side, on occasion, as I recall. He even attempted a bunt that direction once. His spray chart over the years has been interesting. If he hits the ball on the ground he pulls it like crazy. If he hits it in the air its more gap to gap leaning towards left center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Just sign him back already, he even wants to come back. Come on Kenny... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyuen Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 21, 2010 -> 10:18 AM) See, for some reason, the idea of being left with just Vizquel and Kotsay as reserve infielders frightens me. I'm not sure if it frightens me more or less than having Jones/Kotsay as out DH though.... Let's just hope that Ozzie and Kenny are really j/k with this Jones/Kotsay thing... The idea of Kotsay getting 400 at bats or 300 at bats or being considered as a DH really frightens me. I don't want another Erstad situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 21, 2010 -> 06:17 PM) Just sign him back already, he even wants to come back. Come on Kenny... I don't understand what the problem is, he's old, past his prime, and not a full-time player at this point in his career. He totally fits the mold of a white sox free agent this offseason. Edited January 21, 2010 by bmags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 21, 2010 -> 04:05 PM) I don't understand what the problem is, he's a high OBP, lefty power bat who is willing to sign for cheap and be a platooned DH at this point in his career. He totally fits the mold of a white sox free agent this offseason. Fixed for ya. He's pretty much perfect for the team's needs right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Looks like the rotating DH is looking more and more definite by the day.. http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/...e-in-plans.html http://blogs.suntimes.com/whitesox/2010/01...eve_of_sox.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jan 21, 2010 -> 04:12 PM) Looks like the rotating DH is looking more and more definite by the day.. http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/...e-in-plans.html http://blogs.suntimes.com/whitesox/2010/01...eve_of_sox.html Ozzie: ''Nobody is a bigger Jim Thome fan than me,'' Guillen said at U.S. Cellular Field. ''But in the meantime, (Thome's departure) gives this ballclub an opportunity to give more people more at-bats and to be flexible in different ways.'' Sounds to me like he's basically saying, hey, I can have fun with the lineup as is, and do a lot of things. But he's also not saying, anywhere in there, that we won't have a DH. This is why headline writers drive me nuts. The headline says one thing, his quotes say another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 21, 2010 -> 10:10 PM) Fixed for ya. He's pretty much perfect for the team's needs right now. see, you took the opportunity to compliment thome, whereas I was using it to criticize KW/ozzie. I like thome and want him on the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 I can remember when KW talked about Jones and Kotsay as bench players. And now they are part of the DH. Awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 21, 2010 -> 04:16 PM) Ozzie: Sounds to me like he's basically saying, hey, I can have fun with the lineup as is, and do a lot of things. But he's also not saying, anywhere in there, that we won't have a DH. This is why headline writers drive me nuts. The headline says one thing, his quotes say another. Here is another quote that is more clear on the subject. “No one except his wife is a bigger fan of Jim Thome than me,’’ Guillen said. “I will be grateful and pleased one day to say that I had an opportunity to manage this man, but this game is changing a little bit. It’s easy for manager when you don’t have a true DH. I can move things around, give guys more playing time. That’s the way it’s going to be. “Fans out there will be looking at this team a little different. They might be saying, ‘Hey, we’re missing something.’ I think we’re going in a different direction, but the right direction. Our team is going to create different things. That’s why things will look weird. People shouldn’t be worried about that. Thome to me is one of the best guys ever to wear the uniform, but DH is changing. Few teams will have a legit DH. Those days are going away.’’ Edited January 21, 2010 by southsideirish71 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 You can enjoy flexibility with the dh when you have players who all can hit. You don't do it with players that all are awful. I mean...does no one ask these questions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knackattack Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 I don't understand why they didn't target DeRosa then. Have a 5 man rotating DH between him, Teahan, Quentin, Pierre and Konerko, that way you're at least getting decent production on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 21, 2010 -> 04:16 PM) Ozzie: Sounds to me like he's basically saying, hey, I can have fun with the lineup as is, and do a lot of things. But he's also not saying, anywhere in there, that we won't have a DH. This is why headline writers drive me nuts. The headline says one thing, his quotes say another. Ozzie is driving me crazy, I seriously want to yell at him right now. A rotating DH is fine, but having a rotating DH consisting of Mark Kotsay and Andruw Jones is nowhere near fine. I don't know what's not to get here, Ozzie, it isn't 2004 anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 QUOTE (jphat007 @ Jan 21, 2010 -> 04:21 PM) I can remember when KW talked about Jones and Kotsay as bench players. And now they are part of the DH. Awesome. You can tell that Kenny wants to sign a DH, but Ozzie's getting in the way here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 21, 2010 -> 11:45 PM) You can tell that Kenny wants to sign a DH, but Ozzie's getting in the way here. KW can sign someone w/o ozzies say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 21, 2010 -> 07:50 PM) KW can sign someone w/o ozzies say exactly...and i'm hoping he makes a surprise splash during soxfest Edited January 21, 2010 by daa84 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 If they don't bring Thome back, whoever is really responsible is an idiot. Even if they win the WS without him, NOT signing him at this point is just stupid. The "flexibility" defense baffles me every time I read it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Jan 21, 2010 -> 04:22 PM) Here is another quote that is more clear on the subject. “Fans out there will be looking at this team a little different. They might be saying, ‘Hey, we’re missing something.’ I think we’re going in a different direction, but the right direction. Our team is going to create different things. That’s why things will look weird. People shouldn’t be worried about that. Thome to me is one of the best guys ever to wear the uniform, but DH is changing. Few teams will have a legit DH. Those days are going away.’’ Really Ozzie? Jason Kubel, from your favorite Twins team, DH'ed in 80 games; Joe Mauer DH'ed in 28 games; Justin Morneau DH'ed in 12 games. Why? Because they are GOOD. You want to DH Andruw Jones, Mark Kotsay, Omar Vizquel, and maybe giving an outfielder a rest (the only one who should ever be DH'ed in the first place is Quentin). It's like Ozzie has been given boxing gloves and now he wants to go play basketball with them on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Anyone have any pictures of Ozzie putting Beckham in an electrical closet last season? That might be our only hope of having an actual DH in 2010. What's even more frustrating is news that the Cubs are about to sign Gomes for a few mil to be their 4th outfielder. He'd be one of our best hitters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 21, 2010 -> 06:54 PM) Anyone have any pictures of Ozzie putting Beckham in an electrical closet last season? That might be our only hope of having an actual DH in 2010. What's even more frustrating is news that the Cubs are about to sign Gomes for a few mil to be their 4th outfielder. He'd be one of our best hitters. Which is sad in itself because he really hasn't been that good in his career outside of 2005 and 2009. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 What's going to happen when some of these guys go on the DL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 21, 2010 -> 07:20 PM) What's going to happen when some of these guys go on the DL? Josh Kroeger and Alejandro De Aza take their place, duh. Oh, and don't forget about Jayson Nix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 22, 2010 -> 02:20 AM) What's going to happen when some of these guys go on the DL? You mean Kotsay and Quentin don't seem likely to stay healthy? You make a great point though, and it's pretty ridiculous. We'll probably end up DHing Ramirez and let Omar play SS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 well theres no point in complaining about it anymore,thats just how its going to be i guess. we should atleast see how it works. we cant just asume its not going to. if it doesnt, then we'll just trade for gonzalez. jp lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 21, 2010 -> 07:52 PM) Really Ozzie? Jason Kubel, from your favorite Twins team, DH'ed in 80 games; Joe Mauer DH'ed in 28 games; Justin Morneau DH'ed in 12 games. Why? Because they are GOOD. You want to DH Andruw Jones, Mark Kotsay, Omar Vizquel, and maybe giving an outfielder a rest (the only one who should ever be DH'ed in the first place is Quentin). It's like Ozzie has been given boxing gloves and now he wants to go play basketball with them on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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