Dunt Posted December 28, 2015 Author Share Posted December 28, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 28, 2015 -> 10:47 AM) If it's between signing Parra to a 3 year deal in the 39 million range or upgrading other positions and giving Avi one more chance, I would rather see option 2. I never want to see Avi in RF again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 28, 2015 -> 10:47 AM) If it's between signing Parra to a 3 year deal in the 39 million range or upgrading other positions and giving Avi one more chance, I would rather see option 2. QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 28, 2015 -> 10:49 AM) I never want to see Avi in RF again I agree with Fathom. No sense in spending 30-40 million on Parra. If were upgrading the OF, it's gonna be a significant upgrade like one of the big 3 OFs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSox Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Personally, I'm not going to get overly riled up about alternative options until the Sox lose out on the top 3. I still think they end up with 1 of them. Most people lost hope with Frazier after the Lawrie deal & it still happened. Frankly, I think the layover with the holidays, it has people on edge. Nothing has changed for any team & both raBBit & Bucket both said they would move forward this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Dec 28, 2015 -> 10:51 AM) Personally, I'm not going to get overly riled up about alternative options until the Sox lose out on the top 3. I still think they end up with 1 of them. Most people lost hope with Frazier after the Lawrie deal & it still happened. Frankly, I think the layover with the holidays, it has people on edge. Nothing has changed for any team & both raBBit & Bucket both said they would move forward this week. Yeah, there is nothing to worry about until these guys start going off the board. At some point, one of these guys will give in and accept it's somewhat of a buyers market this year. Once that happens, the other dominoes should start to fall. No need to think about secondary options until the Sox have lost out on the big 3, and quite frankly, I think we're well positioned to land one of them. With most of the big spenders not interested in OFs (Yankees, Red Sox, & Dodgers), the prices should be much more reasonable than other spots. Obviously nothing is guaranteed and teams like the Angels & Tigers could disrupt things pretty quickly, but I really like our chances to land one of these guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Dec 28, 2015 -> 10:34 AM) Interesting. Maybe I'm just ignorant when it comes to the splits. Either way, I think Parra would be a solid upgrade for sure. Would still much rather see one of the top 3 but we'll see. Edit: FWIW, Merkin told me a few weeks ago that he doesn't usually throw specific players names out. Could mean something the more I think about it. As I've been saying for awhile, Parra AND one of the big 3 make this team very, very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peavy44 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Did the White Sox back out on Alex gordon offer today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 QUOTE (peavy44 @ Dec 28, 2015 -> 11:06 AM) Did the White Sox back out on Alex gordon offer today. Was it ever officially confirmed there was an offer out there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 28, 2015 -> 11:11 AM) Was it ever officially confirmed there was an offer out there? No, but Bucket said the Sox were going to make "an offer" on Monday, presumably their "final offer". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 QUOTE (peavy44 @ Dec 28, 2015 -> 11:06 AM) Did the White Sox back out on Alex gordon offer today. Whether they make an offer or not, the fans won't know until well after the fact in all probability. It isn't like Rick Hahn is going to give a press conference to announce the offer and details. Maybe something leaks out, but knowing the Sox, that is doubtful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 28, 2015 -> 10:46 AM) Just looked up the numbers again, I didn't realize Parra's defense fell off that much, yeesh. So Parra/Garcia could maybe put up a league average RF offensively, but would still be a disaster on defense. You're right, Span would be a much better fit. A Parra/Avi platoon in RF would be better than league average offensively. Avi kills the defense platoon, but I am not ready to call Parra (the strong side of the platoon) a bad defender quite yet. He was among the best in the league a mere 2 years ago. LF - Gordon CF - Eaton RF - Parra/Avi platoon DH - Melky Late inning defensive replacement / PH - LaRoche That alignment IMMENSELY improves the OF defense and gives the Sox a great lineup. This is the best case scenario in my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 98 days until Sale vs Gray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 28, 2015 -> 11:25 AM) 98 days until Sale vs Gray That's not too long of a wait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 28, 2015 -> 11:23 AM) Whether they make an offer or not, the fans won't know until well after the fact in all probability. It isn't like Rick Hahn is going to give a press conference to announce the offer and details. Maybe something leaks out, but knowing the Sox, that is doubtful. So Hahn will not directly give the public information to either confirm or deny whether or not bucket or rabbit have good sources? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 QUOTE (shipps @ Dec 28, 2015 -> 11:27 AM) So Hahn will not directly give the public information to either confirm or deny whether or not bucket or rabbit have good sources? It is crazy, I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 28, 2015 -> 11:25 AM) 98 days until Sale vs Gray Assuming he or Gray are not injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 28, 2015 -> 11:39 AM) Assuming he or Gray are not injured. Thanks, Einstein. Point is, they have time to make another move or two. The impatience here is almost comical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 28, 2015 -> 11:39 AM) Assuming he or Gray are not injured. Buzz kill! Lawrie is going to go yard off of Gray in Lawrie's first Sox at bat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 28, 2015 -> 11:41 AM) Thanks, Einstein. Point is, they have time to make another move or two. The impatience here is almost comical. DID GORDON REJECT THE WHITE SOX OFFER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 28, 2015 -> 11:41 AM) Thanks, Einstein. Point is, they have time to make another move or two. The impatience here is almost comical. Agreed. Pitchers and catchers don't report for another two months. There's no reason to rush things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 28, 2015 -> 11:41 AM) Thanks, Einstein. Point is, they have time to make another move or two. The impatience here is almost comical. Haha I was just being that guy. I do agree people are too impatient. It's December 28th people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 This is a buyer's market. Patience. How many teams are in the hunt for these 3 or 4 OF's that are getting the attention? What once cost $20 million+ is probably down to $16-$18M (or will be soon) so I think the White Sox will eventually dip into the market if they are truly going 'all-in'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 QUOTE (spiderman @ Dec 28, 2015 -> 11:57 AM) This is a buyer's market. Patience. How many teams are in the hunt for these 3 or 4 OF's that are getting the attention? What once cost $20 million+ is probably down to $16-$18M (or will be soon) so I think the White Sox will eventually dip into the market if they are truly going 'all-in'. I don't see the prices dropping that much. I still think Gordon gets at least $18M/per, with Cespedes & Upton in the $20M to $22M range. The benefit should hopefully come on the contract length side. My guess is each guy gets a year less than they were originally hoping for, with Upton getting 6 years, Cespedes getting 5, & Gordon getting 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Awesome write up on Gordon from Bleacher Report. The article is entitled, Gordon Can be Heyward for Half the Cost: "Gordon Can Be Heyward at Nearly Half the Cost" via http://TeamStre.am by Bleacher Report http://teamstre.am/1PtaxPb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackmooncreeping Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 28, 2015 -> 12:10 PM) I don't see the prices dropping that much. I still think Gordon gets at least $18M/per, with Cespedes & Upton in the $20M to $22M range. The benefit should hopefully come on the contract length side. My guess is each guy gets a year less than they were originally hoping for, with Upton getting 6 years, Cespedes getting 5, & Gordon getting 4. agreed, much more likely that they lose a year rather than the dollars. I think the dollars are pretty much agreed upon/ballpark, it's the add-on clauses for opt-outs and no-trades that are dragging the process out for any of the big 3 outfielders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peavy44 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Ya idk bucket or rabbit im starting doubt there connections with the white sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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