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http://www.philly.com/phillies/bryce-harper-phillies-free-agency-mlb-contract-20190113.html

Phillies really confident....they will get at least one.

Like the line about hiring Machado's gardener.

For some reason, they are sure they will offer the most, the overconfidence here a bit strange, but it has been consistently present since the stupid money comment came out.

 

The meeting ended as expected without Harper’s signing a contract, yet there are still ways for both parties to label it a success. Harper met with Middleton, general manager Matt Klentak, and manager Gabe Kapler for a few hours on Saturday afternoon before the Phillies' contingent flew back to Philadelphia. The Phillies, according to a source, remain optimistic that they will end the offseason with either Harper or Machado on their roster. 

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The White Sox -- who already this winter acquired Machado’s brother-in-law and workout partner and could be looking to add his gardener - are the Phillies’ stiffest competitor to sign Machado. It would not be wise to ever dismiss the Yankees, but the momentum for Machado to land in the Bronx continued to fade on Friday when the Yankees signed second baseman D.J. Lemahieu.

For Machado, it very well could be coming down to the Phillies and White Sox.

 

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1 hour ago, thxfrthmmrs said:

I think the word used was good, Indians duo is an elite one. Considering most playoff teams are at around 40 WAR. Having 4 players accounting for 43% of that target isn’t bad by any means.

How productive that core was is only part of the equation, too. There were years when Sale/Eaton/Abreu/Q were *collectively* making less than what 1 Chris Sale year would be worth as a free agent. Greinke signed for 6/206 despite being an older and less effective pitcher than Sale. Q was regularly putting up ~3.5 fWAR seasons (or better) while making peanuts from the Sox. Per Fangraphs, Quintana had 4 seasons with the White Sox where he produced above 30M in value. The most he was paid by the Sox in one year was 5.4M. Heyward signed for 8/184 with a *very* similar skillset to Eaton, etc. None of the best players on the ~2012-2016 teams were making anything close to their market value. It is impossible to overstate how big of a failure it was for Hahn/KW to not build a contender around them.

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13 minutes ago, HakunaMachado said:

He posted the same pic on twitter (I cannot for the life of me embed a tweet right) under mannyjr99. The comment from him was “#congrats and #good luck #2019season”

You just select the downarrow and choose "copy link to tweet" and post it here.
 

 

I haven't been following who this guy is or if it means anything, but Kelvin Herrera follows him on twitter, so that's a random fact.

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1 minute ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said:

You just select the downarrow and choose "copy link to tweet" and post it here.
 

 

I haven't been following who this guy is or if it means anything, but Kelvin Herrera follows him on twitter, so that's a random fact.

That's odd given that Herrera only follows 62 people, which even for an athlete is not much at all

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10 hours ago, soxfan2014 said:

I've never had any issues bringing one. I haven't been in a long time though. Can someone else confirm this?

Not sure. But I have heard from fans on this board that angrily questioning KW and RH at SoxFest and pressing them for information doesn’t work. I wouldn’t mind giving KW the finger for his failure (prospects for has beens) before Hahn took over. SoxFest Q&A will be interesting if they get neither whale and bring in Moustakas. But then the Sox would be like the Brewers, some young talent with middling veterans.

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19 minutes ago, The Beast said:

Not sure. But I have heard from fans on this board that angrily questioning KW and RH at SoxFest and pressing them for information doesn’t work. I wouldn’t mind giving KW the finger for his failure (prospects for has beens) before Hahn took over. SoxFest Q&A will be interesting if they get neither whale and bring in Moustakas. But then the Sox would be like the Brewers, some young talent with middling veterans.

The Brewers have eight starting pitchers, two dominant relievers...an MVP caliber player in Yelich, plus Cain, Aguilar, Grandal, Shaw and Braun.  Even Arcia was really good down the stretch and into the playoffs.

That’s much more than a team of middling veterans.  Up the middle offensively might be their biggest weakness, and that changes dramatically with Bumgarner and Panik added.

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https://sports.yahoo.com/phillies-meeting-bryce-harper-could-183406820.html

Latest from Vinnie Duber

 

If the Phillies want to spend that "stupid" money on Machado, why are they meeting with Harper? Rosenthal has a guess:

"A contingent from the Phillies' front office is scheduled to meet with Harper in his native Las Vegas on Saturday. If the Phillies' preference is Machado, as some in the industry believe, then the meeting from their perspective might simply be a ploy to drive up the price for the Nationals, a division rival. Harper and Boras, in fact, might be proceeding with the same motivation."

Oh really?

The White Sox have recently been considered "long shots" on Harper and have, like the Phillies, been reported to be more "in" on Machado, who by everyone's guess is expected to sign before Harper, with Boras likely waiting to ensure his client gets the biggest payday of the offseason. But if the Phillies throw their "stupid" money at Machado and reel him away from the rest of the "Miami Baseball Brotherhood" on the South Side, then does the Harper derby get whittled down to two teams, with the White Sox as one of them?

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Of course, the problem with waiting out Harper into February and March is it gives all of MLB more time to rearrange their payroll situations.

It also, if Machado “only” signs for $280-300 million...opens things up for franchises who would never consider $350+ million but would be much more comfortable in the $325-335 million range for Harper

Not only that, but the final shapes of rosters will be even more apparent as each day passes...if the White Sox don’t sign any other players, Machado’s Miami Sound Machine will turn into the flamingo pink-hued theme song from Miami Vice in terms of Bryce wanting to have anything to do with Hahn’s welcoming committee (but for the wrong free agent). Some other playoff-aspiring team that is getting outmaneuvered on the Tier B free agents will break financial discipline in the weeks before spring training, it seems inevitable.

Another obvious point, Hahn can’t afford to dump all those veterans and bring in another set just to appeal to Harper’s camp...”double jeopardy” would set the front office and entire organization up for a year of intense ridicule.

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6 minutes ago, Real said:

discounting the cubs/dodgers, who are the teams supposedly "in" on Harper?

 

Sox, Phillies, who else?  SD? 

Nationals

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3 minutes ago, Real said:

discounting the cubs/dodgers, who are the teams supposedly "in" on Harper?

 

Sox, Phillies, who else?  SD? 

Supposedly the Nationals, but they’re only $5M under the luxury tax.  Adding Harper at a $35M AAV would effectively cost them $51M+ next year.  For a team with three quality OFs, it would surprise me to see them spend that type of cash on Harper at this point.

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The Nationals owner Ted Lerner has been cheap in the past, tying the hands of their GM Rizzo with payroll constraints. Yet there was a whisper, what last week...where he wants to go for it since he is old and knows his time is getting short.

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58 minutes ago, Ross Gload Fan said:

Every single day I wake up more annoyed than the previous day. Someone please help us.

I just woke up so my head is a little clouded but, Just wondering here. Say the Sox don't get either of the two big whales. Is it crazy to try to sign Pollock cheap for two years, or would we rather put one of the kids out there or is just Jays position to play? Haven't heard much about Pollock lately and wondering if he'll get close to the 4-6 years he originally wanted. Now remember I just woke up so don't ruin my Sunday by jumping all over me! Just trying to figure out the contingency plan. God I just wish this was over, also!

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1 minute ago, Saufley said:

I just woke up so my head is a little clouded but, Just wondering here. Say the Sox don't get either of the two big whales. Is it crazy to try to sign Pollock cheap for two years, or would we rather put one of the kids out there or is just Jays position to play? Haven't heard much about Pollock lately and wondering if he'll get close to the 4-6 years he originally wanted. Now remember I just woke up so don't ruin my Sunday by jumping all over me! Just trying to figure out the contingency plan. God I just wish this was over, also!

Not worth sacrificing a 2nd round pick for two years of Pollack.

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7 minutes ago, Saufley said:

I just woke up so my head is a little clouded but, Just wondering here. Say the Sox don't get either of the two big whales. Is it crazy to try to sign Pollock cheap for two years, or would we rather put one of the kids out there or is just Jays position to play? Haven't heard much about Pollock lately and wondering if he'll get close to the 4-6 years he originally wanted. Now remember I just woke up so don't ruin my Sunday by jumping all over me! Just trying to figure out the contingency plan. God I just wish this was over, also!

Yea, at that point I'd rather just see Palka or Nicky out there for a full season to properly gauge them moving forward. As horrible as that may be.

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13 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Not worth sacrificing a 2nd round pick for two years of Pollack.

 

14 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Not worth sacrificing a 2nd round pick for two years of Pollack.

Didn't realize the 2nd round pick. You're right.

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6 minutes ago, soxfan49 said:

He's probably congratulating him on a soon to be contract and wishing him luck. Why is this news?

Because in the world of social media everything is a blues clues mystery.

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