iWiN4PreP Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 The more I think about this move the more it smells like price collusion by the owners. This guy is a skilled player, 4.0 WAR player last year from what I understand. SOMEONE has to step up and take him on. That's just ridiculous. F*** it, the White Sox should do it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 10 Mil seems a little steep for him, but he would work in RF I bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 24 minutes ago, iWiN4PreP said: The more I think about this move the more it smells like price collusion by the owners. This guy is a skilled player, 4.0 WAR player last year from what I understand. SOMEONE has to step up and take him on. That's just ridiculous. F*** it, the White Sox should do it. I guess is very few clubs project him to be worth 4 wins in 2020. That being said, I’m shocked not a single team would take him for 1/$10M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, turnin' two said: 10 Mil seems a little steep for him, but he would work in RF I bet. They can get a better RF cheaper than 10Mill per annum. He's had his moments in the IF, but not consistently. Edited November 27, 2019 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saufley Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I guess is very few clubs project him to be worth 4 wins in 2020. That being said, I’m shocked not a single team would take him for 1/$10M. IF he could match those 40 SB's, 20+ HR's and .270 BA he's an intriguing player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 And remember, He's a better hitter from the left side, which would also help the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Sad that he's a better defensive SS than Tim Anderson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 If I want anybody from the Orioles its mancini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 1 hour ago, iWiN4PreP said: The more I think about this move the more it smells like price collusion by the owners. This guy is a skilled player, 4.0 WAR player last year from what I understand. SOMEONE has to step up and take him on. That's just ridiculous. F*** it, the White Sox should do it. I wonder if you could throw him in RF.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Saufley Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Lillian said: He's a nice power/speed combination and switch hitter. Do you think his arm is good enough to move him to RF? If so, he might be an intriguing option, at $10 Million, with no long term commitment and no loss of a draft pick. He was especially good as a LH hitter: .280 .354 .465. Here is a quote from an article, which appeared today: This is the one storyline I’m eager to see come to a conclusion soon. I’m also a bit shocked that there are no takers for Villar who is coming off a 4.0 fWAR season in which he stole 40 bases and hit a career-high 24 home runs. Non-tendering Villar, despite his projected $10 million salary for next season, shouldn’t be an option on December 2nd. I’m all aboard the rebuild and support a lot of the moves already made by this organization, but if no one takes Villar this week, paying him his salary and plugging him back in the lineup should be the only option. With the northside team looking for a 2B I wonder if they might be interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Saufley said: With the northside team looking for a 2B I wonder if they might be interested. Honestly, there should be a LOT of teams looking at him. He's the third ranked fantasy baseball 2b for crying out loud. Sure, you can argue that maybe he should be more like #5, but whatever, and sure you can say that fantasy baseball doesn't always represent real baseball, but shit, this isn't a scrub this is a stud. These are the types of moves I'd make no doubt as a GM. Grab him for nothing, and if you want, trade him at the deadline for a nice piece back! Edited November 28, 2019 by iWiN4PreP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 11 minutes ago, iWiN4PreP said: He’s right although I really don’t like Eno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saufley Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, iWiN4PreP said: Honestly, there should be a LOT of teams looking at him. He's the third ranked fantasy baseball 2b for crying out loud. Sure, you can argue that maybe he should be more like #5, but whatever, and sure you can say that fantasy baseball doesn't always represent real baseball, but shit, this isn't a scrub this is a stud. These are the types of moves I'd make no doubt as a GM. Grab him for nothing, and if you want, trade him at the deadline for a nice piece back! Agree! If he can be close to 2019 numbers with 40 SB, 20+ HR and a .270 BA he'd look good in a lot of lineups. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 3 hours ago, GreenSox said: They can get a better RF cheaper than 10Mill per annum. He's had his moments in the IF, but not consistently. Can they? I know I haven't been super impressed with the options. Who, in your view is better, and cheaper? And again, I think the 10 mil is expensive for him. But he would certainly be a dangerous guy to have in the lineup in a couple of ways. Not that I'd expect him to hit 24 HRs again, but if he hits 15 and can steal 40 bases, that is a dynamic combination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted November 28, 2019 Author Share Posted November 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Eminor3rd said: If the Reds don't end up with him, Idk what they're doing. I feel like I read somewhere recently that when a player in placed on outright waivers in the offseason, the opposite league gets first dibs. Is that accurate? Seems like a strange rule to flipflop in the offseason, and cannot see to locate anything confirming or denying that. I may have read it here. If he has to clear the AL first, I'd be a tad surprised if he made it to the Reds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, ChiSox59 said: I feel like I read somewhere recently that when a player in placed on outright waivers in the offseason, the opposite league gets first dibs. Is that accurate? Seems like a strange rule to flipflop in the offseason, and cannot see to locate anything confirming or denying that. I may have read it here. If he has to clear the AL first, I'd be a tad surprised if he made it to the Reds. You're right about that, but I don't see a fit in the AL. Edited November 28, 2019 by Eminor3rd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Eminor3rd said: You're right about that, but I don't see a fit in the AL. No teams in the AL need a multi positional infielder who just put up a 4 WAR season? I find that hard to believe. Edited November 28, 2019 by ron883 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 So much for Starlin Castro's or Schoop's market...or Yolmer's, for that matter. Joins the Gennett/Dickerson potentially undervalued list...at least by fWAR considerations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, ron883 said: No teams in the AL need a multi positional infielder who just put up a 4 WAR season? I find that hard to believe. Who then? Keep in mind he's not a 4 win player unless he's playing SS. Projected 97 wRC+ via Steamer. And he's a one year player and costs $10M. Who ya got? Edited November 28, 2019 by Eminor3rd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 13 hours ago, Lillian said: Once Robert and Madrigal are called up, there will only be one spot open in the lineup. Therefore, either Villar, or someone switching positions with him, would have to fill the RF hole, or acquiring him wouldn't make much sense. Given his speed, perhaps he could play CF, moving Robert to RF, for one year. Another possibility would be to let him play 3RD, moving Moncada to RF. We know that Yoan has the arm to play there. The best option would be to play Villar in RF, but we don't know if that is feasible. The point is that if you acquire Villar, you should not have to spend additional money on another regular position player. Therefore, the remaining money could be allocated for a 5TH starter and another reliever. Moreover, I'm not convinced that the payroll ceiling is $130 Million. That is merely conjecture. Here's one more option, which I left out of the list of possibilities: Let him play 2ND, and keep Madrigal at AAA most of the season. If the Sox are not in the race, he might be decent trade bait, at the trade deadline. That would delay Madrigal's service time, reduce the overall cost of Villar and perhaps even net a prospect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 34 minutes ago, Lillian said: Here's one more option, which I left out of the list of possibilities: Let him play 2ND, and keep Madrigal at AAA most of the season. If the Sox are not in the race, he might be decent trade bait, at the trade deadline. That would delay Madrigal's service time, reduce the overall cost of Villar and perhaps even net a prospect. Like the player (Villar) but not this option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Lillian said: Here's one more option, which I left out of the list of possibilities: Let him play 2ND, and keep Madrigal at AAA most of the season. If the Sox are not in the race, he might be decent trade bait, at the trade deadline. That would delay Madrigal's service time, reduce the overall cost of Villar and perhaps even net a prospect. This is a horrible idea. What exactly would you be trying to accomplish with this plan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: This is a horrible idea. What exactly would you be trying to accomplish with this plan? Are you assuming Madrigal comes up soon after the service time deadline? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, ron883 said: Are you assuming Madrigal comes up soon after the service time deadline? Yeah I think so, his bat is major league ready. Unless they want him working on swing changes to generate more power (which I don’t think is the case) there is zero reason for him to be down in AAA once the service time manipulation is complete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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