ptatc Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Moan4Yoan said: Merkin suspects Kopech will start 2020 in Charlotte... https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/inbox-white-sox-2020-outlook “I suspect he will open with Triple-A Charlotte, but he shouldn’t be there longer than April.” These are the quotes I've found as well. From a development stand point I disagree but I get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, ptatc said: These are the quotes I've found as well. From a development stand point I disagree but I get it. I think most people here were right when they predicted last summer that the Sox would use the surgery recovery as an excuse to regain a year of control over Kopech, whether it’s the right or wrong move for his development. Edited December 17, 2019 by Moan4Yoan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Moan4Yoan said: I think most people here were right when they predicted last summer that the Sox would use the surgery recovery as an excuse to regain a year of control over Kopech, whether it’s the right or wrong move for his development. Yep. As I said I get it. I think I was one of the few advocating for him to be up much earlier than he was. In this case the service time is an over riding factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, ptatc said: Yep. As I said I get it. I think I was one of the few advocating for him to be up much earlier than he was. In this case the service time is an over riding factor. Not the end of the world if Hahn adds a good starter. But I’m not so sure they can count on Rodon for much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 9 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said: Not the end of the world if Hahn adds a good starter. But I’m not so sure they can count on Rodon for much. No doubt they need a starter. I think rodon will be a good addition at the end of July or early August. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanJoeCrede Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, ChiSox59 said: I think its closer to mid May. I think we figured out its May 23rd if I remember correctly. 41 days of service time in 2018. He needs to be on the roster for 130 days or less this year to get the year of control back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, MeanJoeCrede said: I think we figured out its May 23rd if I remember correctly. 41 days of service time in 2018. He needs to be on the roster for 130 days or less this year to get the year of control back. Sounds about right. I did the math a few weeks ago, but didn't care to do it again. Remember it being May 20 something tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Ugh. Is two months of Dylan Covey worth the extra year of control for Kopech? While I detest the practice with position players, I get it. With pitchers, you're going to use some of the bullets in Kopech's arm in Charlotte on the chance that he'll be healthy and effective in 2026? That's not a sure thing by any means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 12 hours ago, Timmy U said: Ugh. Is two months of Dylan Covey worth the extra year of control for Kopech? While I detest the practice with position players, I get it. With pitchers, you're going to use some of the bullets in Kopech's arm in Charlotte on the chance that he'll be healthy and effective in 2026? That's not a sure thing by any means. This is the way I look at it as well with the addition of the development impedance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 13 hours ago, Timmy U said: Ugh. Is two months of Dylan Covey worth the extra year of control for Kopech? While I detest the practice with position players, I get it. With pitchers, you're going to use some of the bullets in Kopech's arm in Charlotte on the chance that he'll be healthy and effective in 2026? That's not a sure thing by any means. Covey will not be starting games for the White Sox unless people get injured. I promise you. Wost case, they'll sign 2 of Gio Gonzalez, Alex Wood, Julio Tehran, Collin McHugh, Nova, or Smyly before they give Covey any 2020 starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 40 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Covey will not be starting games for the White Sox unless people get injured. I promise you. Wost case, they'll sign 2 of Gio Gonzalez, Alex Wood, Julio Tehran, Collin McHugh, Nova, or Smyly before they give Covey any 2020 starts. I also don't want to watch 2 years of Collin McHugh or Julio Tehran, etc. We simply disagree on the strategy. Holding Kopech down to claw back the year is tantamount to admitting that you're not fully competing in 2020. I don't prefer that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Timmy U said: I also don't want to watch 2 years of Collin McHugh or Julio Tehran, etc. We simply disagree on the strategy. Holding Kopech down to claw back the year is tantamount to admitting that you're not fully competing in 2020. I don't prefer that. I don't think those guys are getting two years. Disagree all you'd like on Kopech - it is what is going to happen, so best to prepare yourself. The guy has a limited amount of innings he'll be able to pitch in 2020, and I'd rather them occur from June-September than April-July. Getting the year back is gravy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Something interesting from the Athletic article today: Kopech isn't on an innings cap, per se: Rather than the now-archaic idea of a simple innings cap, the White Sox will monitor Kopech’s pitch data for signs of decline and fatigue to decide when to pull the reins on his 2020 season. But it’s also clear they’re planning on tilting his schedule toward a delayed arrival in Chicago, rather than an early shutdown. “He’ll start the season as a normal guy,” head trainer Brian Ball said. “We’re going to try to take pressure back away from him. He knows the plan. I’m not making any announcements but we’re not looking for him to be on the Opening Day roster necessarily. We don’t want to put a lot of pressure on him at this point. We want him to go out and pitch, be comfortable.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Something interesting from the Athletic article today: Kopech isn't on an innings cap, per se: Rather than the now-archaic idea of a simple innings cap, the White Sox will monitor Kopech’s pitch data for signs of decline and fatigue to decide when to pull the reins on his 2020 season. But it’s also clear they’re planning on tilting his schedule toward a delayed arrival in Chicago, rather than an early shutdown. “He’ll start the season as a normal guy,” head trainer Brian Ball said. “We’re going to try to take pressure back away from him. He knows the plan. I’m not making any announcements but we’re not looking for him to be on the Opening Day roster necessarily. We don’t want to put a lot of pressure on him at this point. We want him to go out and pitch, be comfortable.” The innings cap will be more related to the innings he's pitched in a season prior to this year more than the surgical rehab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 God I hope the new CBA does away with the service time games. It's so bad for the fans and young players. Kopech knows the drill but man it's gotta be frustrating. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 The thing is pitching in 32 degree weather in April and May in Chicago is not a great option. I like easing him in. I understand it gets an option year back but it also makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 30 minutes ago, Harry Chappas said: The thing is pitching in 32 degree weather in April and May in Chicago is not a great option. I like easing him in. I understand it gets an option year back but it also makes sense. This is true for any healthy pitcher. Kopech's pitching in Arizona in the Fall showed that he had no issues recovering from surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 hour ago, chitownsportsfan said: God I hope the new CBA does away with the service time games. It's so bad for the fans and young players. Kopech knows the drill but man it's gotta be frustrating. There will always be some type of issue as long as any promotion/free agency/arbitration is tied to time. There has to be a cutoff at some point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 9 minutes ago, ptatc said: There will always be some type of issue as long as any promotion/free agency/arbitration is tied to time. There has to be a cutoff at some point. If nothing else get rid of super 2 and modernize and reform the arb process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Something interesting from the Athletic article today: Kopech isn't on an innings cap, per se: Rather than the now-archaic idea of a simple innings cap, the White Sox will monitor Kopech’s pitch data for signs of decline and fatigue to decide when to pull the reins on his 2020 season. But it’s also clear they’re planning on tilting his schedule toward a delayed arrival in Chicago, rather than an early shutdown. “He’ll start the season as a normal guy,” head trainer Brian Ball said. “We’re going to try to take pressure back away from him. He knows the plan. I’m not making any announcements but we’re not looking for him to be on the Opening Day roster necessarily. We don’t want to put a lot of pressure on him at this point. We want him to go out and pitch, be comfortable.” Nope, because he will start the second week of June, rendering a cap meaningless. They want the extra year back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 On 12/17/2019 at 2:41 PM, MeanJoeCrede said: I think we figured out its May 23rd if I remember correctly. 41 days of service time in 2018. He needs to be on the roster for 130 days or less this year to get the year of control back. On 12/17/2019 at 2:42 PM, ChiSox59 said: Sounds about right. I did the math a few weeks ago, but didn't care to do it again. Remember it being May 20 something tho. Kopech would need to miss around 57 calendar days from Opening Day to not exceed 172 service time days in 2020, which would be May 21st - if I am doing my math right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 19 hours ago, SouthWallace said: Kopech would need to miss around 57 calendar days from Opening Day to not exceed 172 service time days in 2020, which would be May 21st - if I am doing my math right. That is way too late imo. Just lose the year if he is 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 42 minutes ago, EloyJenkins said: That is way too late imo. Just lose the year if he is 100%. I just understood and got your name.. AND LOVE IT! ELOOOOOOOOOOY JENKINSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 1 hour ago, EloyJenkins said: That is way too late imo. Just lose the year if he is 100%. It's not too bad imo. He's only going to miss about 7 starts. He wasn't ever going to pitch more than 140 innings anyways so might as well just keep him down in ST an extra couple weeks, let him slowly ramp up on side games then send him to Charlotte in late April and let him make 4-6 starts down there and then he's up with the big club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 I'd be surprised if they let him throw that many innings. I figure he'd be in the 110-120 range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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