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9 minutes ago, Tony said:

Where do you consume most of your news? Generally curious. 

Where everyone gets their news these days, ImRight.com 

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2 minutes ago, YoYoIsMyHero said:

Where everyone gets their news these days, ImRight.com 

I'm not trying to even be a dick, when I hear from someone that the "MSM" is "fake news", which according to the President is ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, Washington Post, New York Times and others, where do you consume your news? What sources do you consider legitimate in 2020? I'm curious. 

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2 minutes ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

The Trib, the failing New York times, NPR, the Atlantic

Got it. 

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With the not insubstantial caveat of allowing elections to carry forward, Illinois and Chicago are doing about as well as you could ask for in our response. 

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Just now, Tony said:

I'm not trying to even be a dick, when I hear from someone that the "MSM" is "fake news", which according to the President is ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, Washington Post, New York Times and others, where do you consume your news? What sources do you consider legitimate in 2020? I'm curious. 

When people present Trump with direct quotes he calls it fake news. That's why Yerine likes him. I already knew Yerine by his anti-social trolling. 

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Ron, I hope you actually aren't a fan of Trump and are just trolling everyone like you do with Abreu. 

If this is schtick, you're funny. If it's not, then :ninja:

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1 hour ago, Iwritecode said:

What exactly did the other 49 states have to respond to after Pearl Harbor? Did they all get bombs dropped on them too and nobody reported it? 

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The war.

They responded to the war.

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Alabama finally issues a SAH order, Iowa Governor is still refusing.

 

The recent Georgia and Florida statewide orders override any local orders, so e.g. in Georgia it's actually opening beaches back up.

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Of course there's a Maryland nursing home right now with 77/95 infected because they took all their 27 allocated Covid tests away... those places are no better in these situations than the cruise ships. 

My mom's main factor for survival in her assisted living center is pretty much Iowa's relatively remote location. 

And Trump, evidently, can't withhold the impulse to point out that there are fewer automobile accidents this last month...or bringing up the flu again. 

 

And he never clarified yesterday that the US was PAYING was Russia for the supplies, not a humanitarian donation. 

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5 minutes ago, StrangeSox said:

Alabama finally issues a SAH order, Iowa Governor is still refusing.

The best analogy I've seen of letting each state decide this on their own is that it's like having a "no peeing zone" in a swimming pool.

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7 minutes ago, StrangeSox said:

Alabama finally issues a SAH order, Iowa Governor is still refusing.

 

The recent Georgia and Florida statewide orders override any local orders, so e.g. in Georgia it's actually opening beaches back up.

Probably too busy coming up with some more prescriptive abortion guidelines.   I feel embarrassed to be an Iowan sometimes.   Compared to Reynolds and Steve King, Terry Branstad is almost benign. 

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14 minutes ago, Tony said:

 

Not that I don’t believe the number is fudged, but I thought I read the Chinese were just cremating everyone that died of anything at one point. Which would explain the 24/7 thing. 

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32 minutes ago, Tony said:

 

Well, nobody has held a single funeral in the city of eleven million since January 23rd. 

Undoubtedly, those dying the first 2~3 weeks weren't being caught or were being logged as pneumonia.   Of course, that's the same exact case all around the world. 

But every body was taken away for 10~11 weeks and cremated almost instantly. 

What's the natural attrition rate of a city of 11 million over that time period?

This weekend is the first time since January anyone could go out... and it's also Qingming or tomb sweeping festival.   Which means every family in the city that lost a loved one finally has the opportunity to take the ashes and place them in the cemeteries, and there are only eight of these places in the city.   It's a cultural thing.

So you'd have to provide convincing or compelling evidence that NYC, Chicago or LA wouldn't have similar numbers with ZERO citywide funerals from January 23rd through April 4/5/6.

Is it likely that the numbers are underreported, sure?  By a factor of 10~12, no way.   Think of all the people who died because the hospitals were overwhelmed the first month just like what you're going to see in NYC.   Heart attacks and strokes that couldn't access an ambulance or taxi because they weren't available.   Normally, people die here while stuck in traffic jams with no medevac helicopters.  In this case, many couldn't even get out of the house or successfully enlist an ambulance or taxi because all public transportation was shut down. 

 

In 2015 there were 153,623 deaths in NYC.  That comes to 420.88 a day with heart disease and cancer as leading causes.   So we can divide that 153K by 1/5 (10 weeks) and the number would be around 30,000ish.  Wouldn't be surprised by 8000~12000 deaths that were not counted.   But similar problems with numbers in Italy and Spain.   Some reports those countries are over reporting deaths for a number of reasons.  But 3x the reported numbers absolutely make sense and wouldn't be a surprise, because that would align with the 10% mortality rates in southern Europe. 

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If we had a respirator for every female that Trump has referred to as "nasty" in the last 3+ years, there would be a net surplus of 30,000 now. 

At any rate, we can battle back and forth for the rest of the year about who was more unprepared... states vs. Federal government.   We know what Harry S. Truman would say about that. But arguing we had the biggest economy in the history of the world and getting credit for having his signature on every check that goes out? 

They really should just have a camera and no press at these briefings.   Just present information from non-politicians.   

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It's Obama's fault we didn't have good testing for this virus that came into existence a few months ago.

 

But don't you dare criticize the ongoing failures of this administration and their indifference to Americans dying

 

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We need to start adding Ron Howard voice overs to Trump pressers.

For example: Reporter asks Trump about some he previously said.

Trump denies he said it.

Howard voice over: He said it.

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2 hours ago, mqr said:

Not that I don’t believe the number is fudged, but I thought I read the Chinese were just cremating everyone that died of anything at one point. Which would explain the 24/7 thing. 

Most likely, and knowing China, the pile of ashes also contains plenty of uninfected undesireables.

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24 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said:

Most likely, and knowing China, the pile of ashes likely also contains uninfected undesireables.

Yes, they’re bringing massive amounts of Muslims here to Wuhan to bury them in mass graves but only after removing all the organs first...just like we don’t have any contingency plans to help any illegal immigrants who have been doing the work Americans refuse to do at below minimum wage.  That’s the way things have been for at least forty years in this country...because the corporations and politicians benefit, as they work as nannies, or do most of the shitty work at casinos, hotels and golf courses.  The politicians act like when these immigrants who often pay taxes at a higher rate than the 1% get sick, when the homeless get sick, when refugees at the border get sick, that it will all just miraculously go away.

The irony here is that the Trump administration and China have pretty similar policies on Muslims and immigrants.

That’s why there is almost no daylight between the two.  When has he ever criticized Xi Jinping OR Vladimir Putin?   I’ll hang up and listen to the answer.

And if the United States doesn’t start acting like a world leader sometime soon, it will be a scary world we’re leaving for our children and grandchildren.  A world where everyone is left on their own, a world without empathy/care or compassion...where what we’re essentially left with is simply survival of the fittest.

Two months from now, we’ll look closer to a Purge movie than a shining city on a hill.   We’ll look at the way we’ve been treating the least among us, and understand where it all went wrong.  And the people who held their nose to vote because they thought it would benefit their stock portfolios will also have nobody to blame but themselves.

 

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36 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Yes, they’re bringing massive amounts of Muslims here to Wuhan to bury them in mass graves but only after removing all the organs first...just like we don’t have any contingency plans to help any illegal immigrants who have been doing the work Americans refuse to do at below minimum wage.  That’s the way things have been for at least forty years in this country...because the corporations and politicians benefit, as they work as nannies, or do most of the shitty work at casinos, hotels and golf courses.  The politicians act like when these immigrants who often pay taxes at a higher rate than the 1% get sick, when the homeless get sick, when refugees at the border get sick, that it will all just miraculously go away.

The irony here is that the Trump administration and China have pretty similar policies on Muslims and immigrants.

That’s why there is almost no daylight between the two.  When has he ever criticized Xi Jinping OR Vladimir Putin?   I’ll hang up and listen to the answer.

And if the United States doesn’t start acting like a world leader sometime soon, it will be a scary world we’re leaving for our children and grandchildren.  A world where everyone is left on their own, a world without empathy/care or compassion...where what we’re essentially left with is simply survival of the fittest.

Two months from now, we’ll look closer to a Purge movie than a shining city on a hill.   We’ll look at the way we’ve been treating the least among us, and understand where it all went wrong.  And the people who held their nose to vote because they thought it would benefit their stock portfolios will also have nobody to blame but themselves.

 

You just compared a government removing organs from innocent people who are hated due to their religion to not coming up with contingency plans for people who ILLEGALLY (yes, that means breaking the law) enter another country for work.  Amazing comparison.  🤣

And I will throw your absolutely ridiculous comparison out the window and still consider your overall statement -- why in the hell is any person who ILLEGALLY entered this country entitled to the government giving them something better (a.k.a. a free handout), as opposed to worrying about legitimate U.S. citizens?  They are here ILLEGALLY which means they shouldn't even be here in the first place.  I blame the corrupt business owners that are employing these ILLEGAL immigrants, not the U.S. government.  But apparently, the U.S. government should give better jobs and free healthcare to people who shouldn't even be in this country in the first place?  Makes a lot of sense...

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2 hours ago, StrangeSox said:

It's Obama's fault we didn't have good testing for this virus that came into existence a few months ago.

 

But don't you dare criticize the ongoing failures of this administration and their indifference to Americans dying

 

I don't defend one dumbass thing the president says. He is awful.  That wasn't my point in this.  I never voted for the guy because of how poor of a leader and for the specific scenario we are seeing now (a real crisis).  

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"I blame the corrupt business owners that are employing these ILLEGAL immigrants, not the U.S. government."

 

1600 Pennsylvania Avenue will be a very lonely place if you do that.  But just ignoring or wishing these people away in the face of the biggest healh care crisis in a century isn't going to solve the problem, because it's about science and flattening the curve, not politics.  We are only as strong as the weakest and most vulnerable among us. 

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