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Because he was so absolutely terrible that you could not possibly justify having him on a Major League roster and pitching him every 5 days. When there are other guys waiting for an opportunity that are more deserving. Fulmer did not just perform inconsistently. He was not simply "underwhelming" or "failing to live up to expectations". Continuing to trot him out every 5 days would have been an absolute abomination and unfair to those waiting in the minors who provided a better option to the team. Then, he went to AAA and was horrible at that level. There is a huge... and I mean... a HUUUUUUUGE difference between the Avi/Yoan vs Fulmer situations. Avi early on and Yoan right now are/were about average or slightly above average MLB players. Showing bursts of their potential for small stretches. Fulmer demonstrated the prowess of a semi-professional beer league pitcher out there for most of his outings with the big club. To give some perspective... Lucas Giolito is currently at the bottom of the league in just about everything to do with qualifying statistics for Major League pitchers. Carson Fulmer's ERA is two full runs worse than his. His FIP is 1.20 worse. Do you want more perspective? Carson Fulmer's AAA numbers are as bad as Giolito's big league numbers. Worse in multiple areas. His issues with command and walks actually increased in the minors. You are equating ALL prospects who didn't live up to expectations as equals and lumping them into the same basket. That is a fallacious way of looking at this. There are varying degrees of failing upon entering the big leagues. Moncada's had a 1.7 WAR in each of his two seasons with the White Sox. Avi's first three seasons hovered around replacement level. They were also marred by long stints on the DL. The equivalent to Fulmer would be if Moncada came out and hit .130 the first few months of the season. Just incomprehensibly bad (like Fulmer with an 8+ ERA) He'd have been demoted... Then, if he kept doing that in AAA (like Fulmer has as a SP) we'd be writing him off. That simple. Fulmer earned this demotion. He never ONCE demonstrated that he had the ability to be a consistent Major League starting pitcher. They're trying to salvage a wasted first round pick. That's what this boils down to.

My comment was tongue in cheek, but if we want to actually be accurate, then let’s be accurate. Gleyber’s stock was down after hyperextending his elbow last year and then struggling in spring training this season. He came up to the majors several weeks later, and as we have seen with a few others (Ozzie Albies), his ability to hit the Major League baseball for power far outweighed his pereceived ability and his production in the minor leagues. Thus, his value has since skyrocketed from where it was even as a minor leaguer. Secondly, Eloy’s value actually really exploded in 2016, when he raked across two full levels of A ball. Certainly he carried that through the last 18 months, but he really became an elite prospect in 2016, to be fair. My comment about “give him a month,” was in reference to the characteristics of Major League Baseball’s current ball. There is NO doubt in my mind that Eloy will come up and produce immediately. He isn’t a guy that is getting by on talent alone - this dude understands how to hit at a professional level. I truly believe we are looking at a Manny Ramirez type of hitter here. When he comes up, with this particular baseball, I feel like his stock will make a similar or greater jump than what we’ve seen from some of the other kids that have come up.

The argument wasn’t Eloy vs Gleyber right now, or in the future. It was whether 2017 Eloy’s trade value as an A ball prospect (at the time he was traded) was equal to Gleyber’s trade value right now—after already blowing through the minors and succeeding at the ml level. Those values are obviously not equivalent. The fact that Eloy’s value has exploded since the 2017 trade due to his production at the AA and AAA levels only further proves that point.

The "character" of this article, if you can call it character, is that of a 2 year old stomping their feet because they don't get what they want. This is just stupid. While I agree Jimenez should be called up in the next few weeks if he continues this tear, you could argue heavily Kopech is not ready, and definitely wasn't months ago. Very poor taste in writing whoever wrote this.

The fact that there hasn't been a single leak or "source" hinting at the problem is crazy too. We have had crazy message board rumors from my sister's cop boyfriend, but absolutely nothing has come out from a trusted source yet. And Corey comes out and says I'm not 100% yet, but I'm getting there, but also mentions worries about his long term post hockey health. Yet there are zero questions about what his actual.injury is.

Moncada might set the record for Ks in a season. 141 and it isn't August. Woof.

Yoan looks like he's about to go into a slump again. Pulling off the ball badly, causing him to foul off hittable pitches. So far, the "first wave" of the rebuild has been disappointing.

Leury needs to play every day.

I'm just starting to become frustrated because there are exactly 3 important players (Moncada/Giolito/Lopez) with the big club this year and you can't pencil in any of them in the lineup/rotation for the foreseeable future, and the sample size is approaching statistical significance. At this point they're in "prove it" mode.

He has no plan at the plate anymore. First few months seem like an anomaly.

Hard for me to understand what has changed recently with Moncada to make you question him, especially with regard to concerns about his ability to make contact:

As much as I like Coop, I think the game has passed him by. You can't throw low in the zone anymore. He still seems to like that. That is a recipe for giving up tons of HRs now, especially at GRF. Sinkers overall were hit the hardest in MLB over the last three seasons, and he still likes them. Cooper has to adjust or go bye bye. The launch angle revolution has also made it nearly impossible to miss bats without velocity. Pitchers who used to get by with diminished stuff by keeping the ball down and changing speeds are getting killed. They can still miss bats, but when they throw that 88-92 mph fastball they get destroyed on that pitch. Hitters have to wait for a fastball and it is basically BP for them.

I don't understand the game calling with Giolito on the mound. They go to the fastball way too often with 2 strikes and he gets it fouled off. Whatever the opposing hitters are having trouble picking up that day, they should go to with 2 strikes. It is baffling to me that I can see this and it is game calling 101, but for some reason the pros continue to waste pitches by continuing to throw pitches that the hitters are picking up well with two strikes. EDIT: there they go again. Dumb dumb dumb pitch selection. I swear to god this entire organization is baseball stupid during the games. Why go to the fastball there?

Again, that's what happens when you don't miss bats

Good guy, hope he catches on elsewhere

All hail Rick Hahn.

Oh, you DO that...maybe he should be fined as well, by you, the almighty arbiter of message board credibility!

I'll be there...get the cold beer ready.

We’ll see if this works! Go Sox!!

What is attendance supposed to do with 6 losing seasons in a row, the last 2 of which have been non-competitive, and an organization in which there is zero accountability for outcomes. The lack of accountability is a big depressant because it gives the appearance that that the organization doesn't prioritize winning.

Coming from an admitted pessimist ... I was talking with a friend about this the other day. I know I'm a pessimist but based on anecdotes like this I don't think this team has a chance in this city any longer. You're going to have kids growing up and knowing nothing but Cubs success and White Sox failure for 15+ years. Those that are White Sox fans by birth won't be able to find White Sox attire. The state is going broke and not likely to give them a sweetheart deal when the lease is up. Who is going to root for this team in 2030? I've been thinking nonstop about this since 2016. Do they have to move?

He needs to check the boxes before he can become a pitcher.

I mean, this is a site that gave KenWo a platform to write opinion pieces.

POTY. SSS is really, really bad without Margulas. And it seems like SoxMachine has less articles and more pointless podcasts. Thank god for James Fegan.

I accidentally reacted to this post so now I need to comment. There are some sentiments I would agree with but larry is so obnoxious and sss has declined so miserably I just am annoyed having read it.

I just don’t think playing service time games with relievers is necessary. I’d get him up this year and let him start developing into a back-end of the pen anchor.

I’d like to get Greg and Dick Allen’s reaction to this trade, but I’m guessing they’re too busy eating crow. #internetdoesnotforget

Honestly if you go to any sporting goods store in Chicagoland area, it's probably 85/15 Cubs in terms of merchandise available

Moncada ruins the fun.

I'm beginning to question Moncada. This is from someone who absolutely loved him up until recently. I don't know if he's going to be anything other than average anymore. When even the conductor of the Moncada hype train comes to this conclusion, something is wrong. Maybe his contact issues are way too severe.

boys, this game hasn't started yet.

I’m not concerned about the fan base. I’m concerned about the players. That said, I trust that the organization knows far better than I do, so I will patiently wait. And check twitter every 5 min to see if either have been brought up yet.

Pretty garbage return what a dud this deadline has been for sellers.

I am not a fan of position players pitching even in blow outs. Santiago could have gone the 9th. My feeling is that moves like this don’t respect the game