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No need to bring Trump into this. Although, the economy is booming as a result of him so you would think the Sox would in turn spend some money this offseason. ?

Well maybe they should shut the fuck up then because they have implied two off seasons in a row that they were going to spend big. Sox just saves hundreds of millions by spending and investing nothing into the mlb team for years. Would be nice for this organization to pay back the fans loyalty and patience for once.

Well he successfully feigned high demand for a flawed player he was trying to get rid of, such that he got a GM to give him its #6 prospect for him. That's something.

Hahn is the biggest hypocrite. He talks about Sox fans not wanting to hear about almost getting guys....and then he keeps referencing almost landing players. I’m so sick of hearing excuses from him.

I’ll screenshot this when the sentiment in 2021 becomes, “Well guys it’s going to take a few years for everything to come together. 2022 is the time you can start evaluating the rebuild”

@Look at Ray Ray Run Also, remember that guys like Moan4Yoan are trolls that are actively trying to make your enjoyment of sports miserable.

Being realistic and critical isn’t going to the dark side.

You can start working on your front office defense now. "Keuchel is fine and we weren't going to be competitive in 2020 so there's no reason to spend more than that, we'll be able to spend big next offseason" probably works.

The money has been spent!

I blame all of this Bullshit on Rick Hahn. Every team in major league baseball thinks they can dump their bad contracts and expect a Tatis Jr in return. If you sign a bad contract, you should feel some pain when you are looking to unload it.

Ftfy

They basically wasted around $42 million dollars last offseason on Alonso, Nova, Herrera, Jay, and Santana.

26 year old right reliever who put up a 9.33 era in AAA last year. Nice.

Think what you must about Hahn, but theres no chance he thought price and benetendi for Madrigal and Vaughn was the enticing offer he discussed.

Gammons just said on MLB that the Red Sox want Vaughn and Madrigal to make this Price-Benitendi+cash deal to work. He did comment that they were too far apart on money. That would be crazy.

Since many believe he's legit for some reason and our resident insider "has no time to post" .

My favorite ticket office lady called me again just now since I WAS mulling over plans based on the moves made. I obviously voiced my displeasure in a very nice way and said they needed to spend money for me to consider again. She said she'll be calling me back after they make a "big move". I'm not Heroposting or anything like that, but I KNOW that feedback goes to someone higher up than her.

ha, I've always been critical when criticism is warranted. The one thing I've learned in my life, and taught everyone who has worked for me, is to under promise and over deliver. It's the easiest premise in life but the White Sox fail to do so miserably every year with it. I'm frustrated because I think 95% of the blame in FA lies at the feet of ownership. As you see with all these big contracts, these are ownership deals. The owners are always in the room and etc. My beef with Hahn is he keeps thinking he's going to talk his boss into this, and he leads fans on. My problem is: 1. The Sox saved a shit ton of money. They haven't run a payroll over 100 million since 2015. This team ran a 121 million dollar payroll in 2007! It's 2019 and they are going to go into a season in which they claimed "was time to start trying" with a payroll under what they ran at 13 years ago. That's embarrassing. 2. Sox fans were told repeatedly they'd be rewarded for their patience. When? As I said, if they wanted to use a stop gap in RF and trust that Gio/Kopech/Cease would be TOR guys and invest their big lump into Mookie or Springer? Fine, but who can possibly believe that will happen? I don't think next year has to be the year - as I pointed out, the Astros missed the playoffs the year after they were wild card - but I just want to see something. I feel like the carrot has been dangled in front of my face so long that it's brown and moldy. 3. Why can't the Sox compete for top of the market guys? That narrative is tired. They have a rich owner - even worse an owner who has gotten rich off the back of the fans he doesn't support - and they have a great TV deal. Also what does that even mean the Sox don't owe me shit? What kind of miserable person goes through life with no expectation for things they invest their time and money into? The Sox don't owe me anything, but I certainly have the right to voice my displeasure with their constant BS. Lastly, these last few years have been miserable man. I know I sound like a spoiled Sox fan because for most of my life I didn't have to watch miserable baseball... but this last decade and specifically these last 4 years have been really hard. I love to go to games and record/watch them all on TV when I get time. This team has been flat out tough to watch. I really don't like the modern rebuild in sports; teams don't even attempt to put MLB talent on the field but they still charge MLB prices and etc. I want to watch teams try to win; I don't like watching teams run out non-MLB talent in hopes of competing one day and I think it's nonsense a lot of the time. These organizations have made hundreds and hundreds of millions with these investments; some even billions. There's no reason a team needs to strip it all the way down and put complete garbage on the field as entertainment for four years. I understand why the Sox did it, and I hope it works, but it's been a really hard and painful 4 years for someone like me who just loves the game. I got a lot of enjoyment out of watching the team compete for 20 years, even if they came up short most of the time. At least there was excitement and hope. Sorry for the long post, this is all just frustrating sometimes.

Where are we now. Have they beaten me into submission where I’d be excited for Keuchel and Miley, and join all the other fans attached to Hahns underbelly.

The Sox don't owe you shit. It's entertainment. I also don't ask the theater for my money back when the movie sucks. It's voluntary.

Idiots? Hahn wrote the narrative himself and talked about the Machado money being spent. The Sox haven’t been spending for years of offseasons and losing. Enough fucking excuses. It’s time.

Yes. If we don't will you stop apologizing for these losers?

Are you trying to tell me all rebuilds aren't linear? So we're not the Astros? Awww, I'm so sad.

3 years younger — Machado was 26 and Rendon is 29, and it’s reflected in their contracts. Machado received 10 years and Rendon received 7 years.

End of the window they better be flirting with 170-180+.

You don't. You're a clown. I'm telling Ray not to let clowns like you ruin his time.

Man I'd take Andruw Jones in RF right now actually

They don't believe in players being able to define their value so they'll never win with Boras.

You're just wrong, but whatever makes you feel better. If your only view on ROI in life is monetary, then I feel sorry for you. Sports aren't the same to everyone; I spent my life playing and following the game with my father. It was the #1 thing we bonded over for 30 years. Maybe to you, that's nothing but to many those things matter. The Sox may not owe me, directly, anything... but as I said, I sure as hell can express my frustrations with a product that I've invested a lot of time and money into.

Well he has to hype the product too. The temptation comes from teams offering things for guys you want to keep like Gio and Robert, Eloy, Moncada, Kopech Cease probably even Lopez I think it's great you are being patient. Still a lot of time to go this off season. I'm expecting a big trade.Prospects will be involved unfortunately but that's where we are at. I know a lot of people love them some Madrigal but he's not a run producer so I'd expect him gone if the Sox do indeed trade prospects.

I was listening to Rick Hahn on MLB Radio on the drive home yesterday. This guy is the biggest bullshit artist I've ever heard next to Trump. He talks about urgency with the pitching market in one sentence and then in the next one talks about making sure everything aligns and taking your time. I'm sick of it.

And it will go up this year because the vast majority of Sox fans are excited and the Cubs suck.

What a rollercoaster this thread was for a team that was most likely never even in contact with Boras about Rendon.

They can and they should. That’s what other teams are doing that are trying to win. It’s also what Hahn has been running his mouth about the past two offseasons — spending money with the big boys. Where have you been?

Um, nothing? Sox like Mazara. Some people really like Mazara some don't. And I love everyone constantly citing mlb pipelines prospect ranking lol.

I'm so tired of the Machado money narrative from this front office. They act as if Manny Machado was the only player they were going to sign for 5 years. The way they speak about the machado money cracks me up... Apparently abreu got some of the machado money.. so, they were going to let abreu leave if they signed machado? Doubtful. If the Sox were willing to spend 250 million on one player then their multi year budget had to be like 500 million unless they were committed to investing every dollar they could spend for 5 years on one player. Fact is this team is heading for another sub 120 payroll when 15 years ago they were running payrolls around 130.

Why are the Sox only in play for 2nd level free agents? The Sox front office loves fans like you.

Giving this offseason a D. Its like they didnt know what to do when Wheeler turned them down

Except plenty of people around baseball think that was a fair deal. High demand? Give me a break.

If we win the wild card this year will you stop crying?

We got a gigantic head start and are finishing behind the astros and cubs. Maybe, just maybe, the front office is pretty crappy at running and should do something else.

Now there's a solid version of mediocrity. "I'm not as good as other franchises and hot d*mn I am thrilled about it!!!".

I don't care about Steele Walker. But the trade is a big deal to me in that the Sox chose the cheap route with an underachieving player, as opposed to putting an impact player in RF.

I highly doubt anyone got their Hope's up. It's just the fact that this ownership group sucks ass and we once again watched the whales go where they are welcome. We were told the money will be spent and blah blah blah. Augmenting the rebuild with actual, premium, Boras priced talent is a smart move!!!! But they're out, and we get garbage like Mazara that we need to hope on more than Marcell fucking Ozuna, who has a WAY better chance at a 4 WAR season, laughed at by our fucking owner. Hes not even a whale, but hes basically written off as a possibility now!!!

I’m probably more frustrated they didn’t try and get Lindblom, as that’s a very low-risk, high-reward contract.

Shutting this down. RELAX

I thought Rendon was a waste of resources since this FO pretends to be on a section 8 voucher. With that being said going in on him is the type of aggressive move we need to do. You then use Madrigal for a TOR SP. The fact they weren't in on any of the top players is an indictment on this orginization as a whole.

Good thing you started this. You guys need help.