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Until Lynn and Cueto pitch and show they're healthy and effective I would not DFA him. I would send him to the pen based on performance and send a message to the team that if you don't perform you lose your job. Hell, use an "opener" in his spot until the other guys are ready. Every game he pitches is a bullpen day anyway, so just make it official.

These two things can both be true: -TLR has forgotten more about baseball than any of us on this board will ever know..... and -TLR has forgotten EVERYTHING he ever knew about baseball and is a complete empty shell on the bench

I'm no doctor, but he clearly did major damage. Obviously hamstring and potential knee issues. Based on his history and body type, I'm guessing torn hamstring and MCL tear.

They don't.

Stand up guy taking the heat for making one bad pitch, while his teammates mail in another "it's too cold for me to give a shit performance".

Understand your comment that blackout rules in the Chicagoland area don't apply to you. However, when the Sox play the Dodgers and Angels are you not blocked out from the Sox broadcast and forced to watch the local feed?

Totally agree. It's 2022, blackouts belong in the 70's with Bill Witrz. Today it has gotten out of control. Try this on for size; living in Hawaii we are 2,500 miles from the closest major league city. We are blacked out for FIVE TEAMS! Dodgers, Angels, Padres, A's, and Giants. Obviously we can't go to the games, so that argument is lame. I can only get the Dodgers and Angels if I pay for the Regional Sports network. I can't get the other three teams ANYWHERE! I'm paying mlb.tv for a fraction of the Sox games I should get. Until Congress strips MLB of the anti trust exemption, this is the crap we're stuck with.

Explains why they are the Orioles and Pirates.

You're more optimistic than me. I don't think he gets out of the first inning.

The trade that brought Kimbrel here in July continues to f up our team. Gave away Madrigal and Heuer, saw Kimbrel implode as most of us knew he would. Now we pick up the option to trade or salvage some face thinking he can be productive. We can't give him away and teams know we're screwed. Eventually, we'll either have $16 million tied up in a bad reliever or trade him for a bucket of balls...... and likely still pay the majority of his contract. The albatross kept us from being more aggressive before the lockout as JR tells RH to go shop in the bargain basement aisle. Get ready for Romy at 2nd and Vaughn in RF. These guys are f'ing up the entire championship window.

I'll give them Lynn despite the fact that the media and people on this board talked about getting Lynn for 18 months before we did it. Rodon was resigning your own guy for nothing in today's market with no other options beyond Lopez. Not exactly like rebuilding your entire outfield at midseason and being a game away from the WS.

You can remove "this season" and be correct every time. Atlanta was dead in the water when they essentially lost their entire outfield. Look what a competent FO can do. I'm beyond jealous.

If that's the crap we might get back in a deal (while still retaining some salary) just shoot me now. I know it's just one guy's opinion and all it takes is one GM/Manager combination to think they can turn him around to strike a good deal. However if this is the garbage we'd get back now, keep him. Hope with an off-season and Spring Training to get his head screwed on right, he could be productive. Otherwise just don't pick up the option and deal with basically giving away Madrigal and Heuer for the next 7-10 years.

No argument, but Tony's not going anywhere. Jerry won't fire him and Tony is enjoying his retirement gig. First class air travel, 5 star hotels, great seats to MLB games. Why would he leave that? He'll never catch Connie Mack, but he's going to make damn sure nobody ever catches him. We're stuck with him until the contention window closes and he stops having fun. There's alot of work to be done but I fear it will all be moot unless we play 21st century ball (shifting, launch angle, managing a pitching staff). Maybe I'll feel better after the ache of watching my boyhood team spit the bit in 3 of 4 games eases.

My fear is that I suspect Tepera, Bummer and Kopech are unavailable tomorrow. Based on that, my guess is we'll see Rodon for 2 or 3 at absolute most. ReyLo follows him for 2 or 3. Crochet for 1, then Kimbrel and Hendriks. We need to score a bunch tomorrow.

If Rodon could pitch at all he'd already have taken the mound. If we win tomorrow, he might start and get the Ricky R/Dane Dunning treatment and get lifted in the 1st or 2nd. He gave us all he had which was more than we could have expected.

I agree with you. We did pay an unfair price at the deadline...... we gave away Madrigal and Heuer for Karosine Kimbrel. How did that one work out? I'm all for overpaying to get a much needed piece for the championship. Going after Kimbrel was an idiotic move by a bad GM. Coming into the season without a legit RF, enough bullpen depth to allow Crochet (and even Kopech) to stretch out in the minors, and a backup catcher is inexcusable. Since Tony is here for life, I think Hahn must go.

They will cancel due to COVID "for your safety" so he does not have to be accountable for this mess. They already have written the narrative for the offseason. "We overcame injuries that would have crippled most teams. We won our division by 13 games. We just ran into a hot team in the ALDS. Tony's a HOF genius and will be back until we win the WS". We are doomed.

Exactly the same as it looked to virtually all of us at the time....it stunk. First, you take an aging career closer who had a dominant 3+ months in the last 3 years and make him a set up guy. Then you overpay with Madrigal AND Heuer. Sprinkle in TLR's love for a "stacked" bullpen and this is what we get. We could have taken Madrigal and Heuer and gotten the RF we have needed forever. That's OK, Leury will be fine in RF, right Tony?!?!?

What did Kaat say about Moncada that he apologize for this inning?

MLB is in the stone ages. I know nobody will feel sorry for me in Hawaii, but we are blacked out for 5 teams.... not one of which is within 2,500 miles of us! Add to that, 3 of their RSN's aren't even available in Hawaii. Just idiotic. And before we heap praise on football, unless you subscribe to DirecTv satellite service (not new streaming service) you're back in the 70's watching your local game on CBS or Fox. Being a Bears fan in Hawaii means we MIGHT see 4 games a year. I know, maybe that's a blessing these days but I'd like the choice.

I feel for him, but he has no place on this roster for the ALDS. He won't start if Rodon can suit up and he ABSOLUTELY cannot pitch out of the pen. He doesn't have "swing and miss" stuff so you can't put him in to stifle a rally..... lefties crush him so he isn't a situational reliever...... he is only a mop up guy. That's a roster spot that can be used more effectively. Let him sit in the dugout and support his team and maybe lend some insight on the Houston hitters.

Totally agree. That said, how much sweeter would it be to split in Houston and win the next 2 at home to win the series?

Failure to get a RF and dramatically overpaying for Kimbrel are huge negatives. Missing on Escobar is still mystifying to me. It will take HUGE contributions from Kimbrel and Cesar in the postseason to raise the grade. Since the Sox FO saw Cleveland waive the white flag before the deadline, any deals had to be to strengthen us in the postseason. I think we gave up way too much equity to not get a RF.

I was old in 2008. I am older in 2021.