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If they gave us Gordon and the Sox picked up Burnett or another starter (similar to him) without giving up Contreras. I'd make the deal in a heartbeat.

There on the FS server. Let me look tonight when I get home from work and I'll post you the links.

QUOTE(danman31 @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 08:31 PM) Preach on brotha! It's all about Josh Fields, who also had a big day today. What about Big Frank???

QUOTE(cragi @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 09:29 PM) I agree. I was saying fans of both teams could think that way. Prior to the deal, (the always cash-conscious) Brewer fans were thinking..'oh great we just signed a big deal to career .250 hitter (Pods) that had one big year and now has sunk back to reality. Also, we have nobody that can knock in runs..now what?' The Lee deal seemed way too good to be true...and I know you have similar reasoning for thinking the opposite. For the Sox the big key's were what Pods has done, but also how they were able to free up payroll to add Duque (whose not been great, but has been superior to any other 5th starter the Sox had in years) and Pyrzinski (who has been huge to this club). Its one of those deals that really worked out for both teams and I couldn't be happier. As far as Overbay goes, I'd love him on the Southside, but personally speaking, I wouldn't give up major league talent to get him (i'd more than gladly part of a package involving top prospects though).

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 06:58 AM) The 'peak value' theory shouldn't be conidered this year. You dance with the one(s) that brung ya. I agree. It mainly works in the off-season or when your a seller, not when a team is in contention. I go with right the hot hand through the playoffs and Politte has been hot all year.

I'd give up an arm and a leg for him.

This will be interesting. Personally I wouldn't deal Politte. However, you could make a case of the Sox dealing him while his value is at peak. Plus Its usually a lot easier/cheaper to pick up a good righty reliever than a lefty via the trade market. Kenny isn't going to deal any of his relievers without bringing in a good replacement, imo. I also highly doubt he'd deal Politte, unless he's getting Mota plus Burnett. Basically put if the Sox put Politte in the deal as opposed to Marte, the Fish give a little extra. The question is would the team be better with Politte and Walker (if that be the case) or would it be better with Mota and Marte in the pen. Either way it would be AJ in the rotation and of course one of the starters (if they aren't dealt) could slide into the pen as well.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 06:25 PM) AHA! So you are Stephen A. Smith. If I were Stephan A Smith...I'd do us all a favor and cut out my voice box. I can't stand the guy

Wow, sorry to hear that Alex. It hurts when you loose a pet.

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 11:59 AM) I watch it for one reason....Her name is Kristen. Not as good in person.

QUOTE(3E8 @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 12:22 PM) If you get Overbay and Frank returns then what? You will have two of PK, Frank, Overbay, and Everett sitting each game, right? I don't worry about Frank. He's not that good and quite frankly, a move for Overbay would spell the end for the Big Man (something I'm rooting for because quite frankly it makes zero sense to give him that type of money).

QUOTE(rangercal @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 11:09 AM) Huff would help more. He is a left-handed bat who always seems to heat up in August in spetember. ( when I say heat up I mean hit over .350) He can play 4 positions. With Credes back being a factor Huff would be a HUGE pick up. I'd rate Overbay over Huff and I'm not as high on Overbay as some. Also, Overbay is a lefty as well. The way I see it Huff may be versatile, which can be nice, but with the Drays asking price (I wouldn't give up Bmac in a Huff deal) I can't see it making sense. Overbay on the other hand, I'd give up a package like Sweeney/Gio or Anderson and a guy like Tracey. Of course I still think Chad Tracey would be sweet.

Good call. I just closed the other Burnett thread.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 07:16 AM) Yes, two excellent points. I guess, at some point, you have to ask yourself if Griffey is costing you more than the scratch he is bringing in through the turnstiles. As for Dunn + Milton, you would undoubtedly hurt Dunn's value package, but you would get out from under a NASTY contract in the meantime for a very, very underwhelming player in Eric Milton. To a team like the Reds, I think the most important thing to getting things back is getting out from some horrible contracts. If they could get rid of at least a decent chunk of Griffey's and all of Miltons (which would happen if you included Dunn in the deal) than I think the team could finally start moving towards developing players, resigning its players it likes (before they hit arb...ala the Indians) and slowly getting things righted. Plus they still should get some good prospects out of the deals (not as much as they could if they didn't unload contracts, but for a small market team, 1st priority has to be unsaddle yourself of those things). If they do that, I'd call it a winning trade deadline for them. They got Edwin Encarnacion coming up, they need to start making more of a push at drafting collegiate pitchers (imo) and slowly yet surely they could start building themselves a nucleus.

Hey Torn...thanks for helping out with this whole thing. Its greatly appreciated

Ya, when we moved in to our current house there was a lot of construction going on (its a pretty new development) and when we were in you have neighbors putting in their yards, you have the houses right behind us still being finished. Went on for a few months (the whole area went on for a few years) and it sucked, mainly during summer when I'd have to make sure my window was shut (which meant my room was super hot) so I didn't hear the noise quite as badly.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 07:13 AM) Heck yes, for two main reasons. 1) I believe Dunn will net a lot more via trade at this point in his career...his stock is awfull high right now at 25 or 26 years of age. 2) GRIFFEY IS THE ONLY DRAW IN CINCY Like I've said before, I'd have to be blown off my feet to trade Griffey right now despite the albatrose of a contract. You see what I'm getting at? I'd deal them both, cause quite frankly, Griffey may be the only draw, but he still costs them more than he brings in, imo. They need to get from out of his contract. If I were to deal Dunn, I'd hurt his trade value a bit, but I'd try and tie Eric Milton to him.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 12:26 AM) Good points. But there are other reasons I don't want Soriano. He's a hack at 2B and he's another RH hitting free swinger. This club is moving away from bad glove RH thumpers, not collecting them. My theory is...8 million on Thomas or similar money on Soriano. I'll take Soriano any day of the week. However, If the Sox go deep (and fail or win) I could definately see them think long and hard about making Furcal a big money offer. He'd come in and add another "Ozzie" like player. Ozzie has also played with him so assuming the two got along and Ozzie is a fan, I think the move would make a lot of sense. Of course the move would likely mean Uribe is shipped out in a deal. Is Furcal 4-6 million bucks better than Uribe (I'll let the Sox be the judge of that). Consider this though, between Timo and Ben Davis the Sox will save about 2.5 million, so that alone could essentially cut up some of that difference.

QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Jul 25, 2005 -> 05:21 AM) 1. They say that now, but things change...Just like Lee last year was untradeable..The Dye part of the deal.. WE need to get rid of him in order to make room for Giles who better fits this team. 2. Read the whole post.. He hits 9th to take the spot of the loved Uribe :rolly. Lets see if Uribe is worth about 4 mil a year then you have to figure 6-7mil for a better player.. I am sure you will disagree, becuase why pay for good players right? But its to early to see what the market price is for STARTING SS 3. Again this is a question that is to early to answer in regards to the money part of it. THe pads have Nady and Guzman in the wings waiting..I don't think they are looking to keep to much in regards to OF payroll. 4. And when I made the same defense in regards to OH, I got ripped on...No your right lets try and trade for Jarret Wright he fits in here much better :rolly Furcal will get no less than 9 million a year. You can take that to the bank. Phillies just gave Rollins a long term deal worth basically 10 mill a year and Furcal (aside from his semi slump for the 1st half of the season) is a superior player to Rollins.

I wouldn't deal Aaron for Griffey. I'd deal Jermaine Dye for Griffey though and worse case move Rowand to RF (although Rowand is a better CF than Griffey). Still, long term, Griff is best suited more so as a DH who can ocassionally play in the field, imo (just smarter considering his injury background).

QUOTE(Finkelstein @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 06:27 AM) According to Levine, the Giants want a veteran pitcher, blue-chip pitching prospect and either Anderson or Sweeney for Schmidt. Schmidt has 2M left this year and 10.5M for next year. Seems like too much, especially if Vizquel isn't involved. Would you guys do Contreras, Bmac, Sweeney and say Valido for Schmidt and Vizquel. I must say, I'd definately think long and hard about it. Mainly because I want Vizquel badly Plus Schmidt is a total horse and wouldn't be a 3 month rental.

Huff wouldn't be bad now that Franks out for a while. Plus I think Huff fits in nicely over the off-season replacing either Frank as a DH or Paulie at 1b. However, I wouldn't expect Huff to play much at 3rd but he's at least an insurance option at the same time. Plus I think he'd put up monster numbers at the cell. Personally speaking, I think the DRays deal off this offseason. Plus Lamarr has to be the worse GM to negotiate a trade with. He just tried to totally one side a deal to his side (not saying its not his job, but at times when you got to make a deal it typically should make sense for each team involved).

I'm starting to think that Contreras plus Marte for Lowell and Burnett makes a lot of sense (especially if the Sox could find a way to get Mota or some decent minor leaguer as well). The deal makes sense cause I think the Sox want to get rid of Contreras and feel Burnett is an upgrade. Basically put the Sox would lose Marte but at the same time they keep Bmac as a chip plus they still have their entire farm to find them another lefty. Burnett is a guy with the ability to be an upper echelon pitcher and has once been an ace of a staff (pre-injury). His stuff alone is amazing and well if your gonna roll the die I won't complain, but if they give up both Contreras and Bmac, than I'll have my doubts.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 25, 2005 -> 07:45 PM) The only problem with that is he's never had a season of 30/100. He had one season of 22 HRs and 99 RBI but other than that he's never hit more than 15 HRs in a season and has never had more than 72 RBI. I would call him more of a 20/85 or 20/90 guy, not 30/100. I think he has 15 HR right now.

Guys, the Sox haven't yet offered AJ anything. Any reports on that are a little early. It isn't that close yet, however, I do think the Sox are willing to offer somewhere around the reported 3yr 30 mill and obviously want to get something done. Before that happens they got to get closer to working out the deal with the Marlins.