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QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Dec 12, 2007 -> 04:56 PM) I would hope that Konerko comment was just missing the green ink. How about Uribe? Only if they were covered in queso.

QUOTE(SoxFanInDallas @ Dec 12, 2007 -> 03:37 PM) Yeah? But how do you explain the approach to FA this year? Miss out on TH because outbid. Miss out on Rowand because don't want to pay that kind of money. Trade Garland to free up cash to sign TH, but still don't get him. The payroll is because of past spending, but I guarantee you they are thinking 'We spent a lot of money in the past. We need to reign things in this year.' So is it better to overpay and get stuck behind the 8-ball down the road. I think the Sox have been competitive but beaten. And honestly, that's ok.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Dec 12, 2007 -> 03:37 PM) 100 million dollars is small market. I guess that makes the Royals Micro Market. And the Marlins mini-tiny-superteeny-micro small market. The Marlins are Black Market.

QUOTE(ptatc @ Dec 12, 2007 -> 02:51 PM) Dropping down can also be a compensation for shoulder pain. When the humeral head rides up and compresses into the acromion the rotator cuff, bursa and labrum become pinched. If a pitcher starts to drop down there is usually an injury to one of these tissues. However since JC as always had this in his arsenal I wouldn't worry about it. Dropping down also decreases pitch velocity while increasing lateral movement on the pitch, this becomes the slider injury to the elbow. In retrospect I think this is what happened to Garcia. And if you do it too much...well, just look at your avatar.

QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Dec 12, 2007 -> 02:30 PM) The Board certainly deserves a share of blame given that Kenny is taking probably more than he should. That said, Kenny has been more talk than walk I don't think so...he's been in on all the targets he has wanted. He was outbid twice and out-ego'd the other. Hunter's contract is ridiculous and Kenny woulda been flamed for signing him for that. The Sox didn't want the D-Train and the Tiggers snapped them both up, also for a hefty sum. And Fukudome wanted to be the first Japanese player on a team and play RF.

QUOTE(lostfan @ Dec 12, 2007 -> 01:58 PM) You know what this kind of reminds me of... when the Patriots got Randy Moss people were like "oh, I don't know if Moss is any good still, he might be a distraction" and well we see how that worked out. It was a low-risk, high-reward kind of deal that worked out. Given the price, this could work out that way. Obviously the name Mark Prior makes me chuckle every time I read it, but if in fact everyone was wrong about him and he really did have shoulder issues fixed by the surgery, you could end up with a dominant pitcher. Nobody's ever doubted his actual (or maybe theoretical?) ability to pitch. The downside... you end up signing the same old Mark Prior, and you will get laughed at for doing it. Except Moss wasn't injured, just unmotivated. The question is, would he be ok with being sent down again? Maybe if the Sox could sign him to the same type of deal the Twins gave Craig Monroe. He only gets the full $3 mil + IF he makes the club. If not, he gets a $600K buyout. I would do THAT with Prior to see what he's got.

QUOTE(lostfan @ Dec 12, 2007 -> 02:24 PM) Yeah, and that was absolutely great. Unfortunately I just looked at my calendar and it's 2007, and I'm thinking we have a .500 team right now. I don't know about you but I'd kind of like to experience 2005 again someday. As would most people on this board. But, the game isn't played on paper. And this team hasn't played one game in 2008. Shoot, we're not even IN 2008.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Dec 12, 2007 -> 02:11 PM) Serious question here... because so many people seem to have this opinion, would you all rather return to the Ron Schuler years where we'd maybe make one decent trade a winter, but you could pretty much be assured that we wouldn't be after any major players? I know the knock on Kenny is all of the sudden is that he is "missing" on all of the players, but the fact that he is chasing them, even when the odds are against him in all of these cases just tells me he is willing to try to do whatever it takes to try to improve. Think about it. Torii Hunter was supposedly going to get blown away from this huge offer from Texas. You all heard the impression Kenny made on Hunter, and how close he was to coming here. Miguel Cabrera was supposedly going to the Angels. In steps Kenny, and he was leading the race, until Florida changed the terms and insisted we take on Dontrelle Willis. Fukudome was supposedly only going to consider the Cubs, yet Kenny goes out and matches the Cubs offer, only to fail because the guy wanted to pad his own ego with the #1 and having to play RF, plus being the #1 Japanese player on the northside. What do these all have in common? Kenny fought for all three of the guys dispite the odds. A guy like Ron Schuler would have never been heard from on any of these stages. He would have been happy to plug in some rookies, and some type b/c free agents, and move on having no expecations of anything for the next season. Its insane to hold someone's work ethic against them. Its almost like people would be happier if we weren't ever mentioned at all in connection with players. Give me the guy going for the gold ring, instead of the guy who is content to see how long he can go around on the merri-go-round. Well said. What should be interesting is to revisit these trades/signings in a couple of years and see what they have brought the teams. If the Tigers or Angels don't win a World Series and now have aging, expensive players. And their fans might be clamoring for THEIR GM's jobs. At this point, try to trade Uribe and Crede for whatever you can get for them and go into the year with what we got.

From Rotoworld (they no likey):

Well, we should know tonight or early tomorrow what his decision is.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Dec 10, 2007 -> 06:12 PM) 1. Nobody said that he had never had good innings or even a few good "years"; I said McCarthy had had good, sustained success in the minors and good success in the Majors and so the situations were different, so let's not mischaracterize the declaration. 2. Floyd doesn't have anything notable in his repoitoire. A curve that is nasty one time out of ten, a flat fastball with no speed, and all of his pitches die from the stretch. EDIT: For that matter, McCarthy has nothing noteworthy in his repoitoire, either. Have you seen him pitch in 2008? Isn't it possible, just possible, that maybe he learned to put some movement on that fastball? Or that, maybe 6 of 10 curves are nasty? You think Coop has him on an offseason work schedule? Maybe learn another pitch? Until they actually start, there's no reason to say one or all of our pitchers are better, worse, the same, than any other season or pitcher. Especially with younger pitchers like Floyd, Danks, etc.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Dec 10, 2007 -> 02:22 PM) So lets trade a 3rd baseman who is young cheap and has potential, so we can lose our 3rd baseman the Boras client to FA and have Andy Gonzales as our 3rd baseman next year. Cool. Where do I sign up. Unlike some people on this board...who flame on people who just are trying to start a conversation, I think that it's not something the Sox should do. Maybin isn't worth giving up Fields. But...as one who threw an idea out there and got stomped on, thanks for throwing the idea out there.

QUOTE(Vance Law @ Dec 9, 2007 -> 10:37 PM) Seriously, Olajuwon had a f***ing cannon in right field. Vance...it wasn't that he had a cannon, it's that by the time he threw it, the ball was released at the pitcher's mound! And I SWORE it was Manute! I mean, he wouldn't have to scale the wall AND he could punch out the batter at home...literally!

To write off Danks after his first full year in the league is just moronic. Floyd, I can understand the worry. But, let's just see what Danks' got goin' on when THIS season starts.

QUOTE(DonnyDevito @ Dec 9, 2007 -> 09:19 PM) Rowand over this guy, any day. when it's all said and done, both will have similar contracts. a lot of teams want Fukodome(sp?). Plus, Rowand is a real CF with great defense which we will need with our young starting pitchers. I'm not going to comment on his defense, hitting style, or anything like that, because I've never seen Fukudome play...BUT, here's where he outpaces Rowand. BB/SO ratio. KF strikes out a lot, but he also walks a lot. Rowand...strikes out a lot, and doesn't walk a lot. And the Sox need players that can get on base. I think what it might come down to, if the Sox go the free agent route is, do you sign with the devil you know or the devil you don't know.

QUOTE(max power @ Dec 7, 2007 -> 05:33 PM) We don't really have a need for another major league ready corner outfield prospect/player. OK, but I disagree. He could be spun off for another player. He could beat out Owens for LF or CF. You can never have too many of anything....

QUOTE(yoyozuna @ Dec 7, 2007 -> 05:23 PM) I thought this would be a good discussion with 3 different options. After I relaxed from all the WINTER MEETING emotional ride I thought that these are 3 guys that could be had via trade. Coco has been rumored out there for some time. It seems Roberts has come up recently with Baltimore supposedly inquiring on Crede. Finally Pierre might be able to be had with the Jones signing with the Dodgers. Does anybody know what these guys have left on there contracts? If its 3yrs or left it could fit into KWs ideal plan. I think Pierre would take the least amount of prospects IF the Sox eat the contract. If not, then Crisp. On a different tack...what do you think it would take to get Ethier? Is he worth it? Sounds like the Dodgers might have an easier time trading Ethier over Pierre.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 7, 2007 -> 04:56 PM) Truth. He could be a surpriser, but who knows. I just dont think very much of Gallagher. Lance actually looked extremely good in his call up this year though. That could be an outlier, or his stuff could translate well to the majors. We will know more after this season IMO. Not comparing here, but who thought Buerhle would be a #1/#2 starter? He's not overpowering, etc. etc. etc. You know who he is. The thing people like about Danks is his toughness, which he showed at times last year. Broadway might not be overpowering, buthe might just have the toughness to be a #3? He wouldn't be enough for Roberts, tho.

QUOTE(danman31 @ Dec 7, 2007 -> 03:51 PM) That's just an ignorant statement. To say you don't want the guy because he is an asshole or whatever else is one thing, but to say he's useless is so far from wrong. The guy put up a .480 obp with an OPS over 1. That's elite status. If the Sox did sign him...I don't think the Sox would get out of the first week of Spring Training without a Bonds-AJ fight. And I'm not talking a Bonds-Kent pushing match...I'm talking about broken furniture, etc.

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QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 7, 2007 -> 03:59 PM) I dont know if anyone posted this already, but mlbtraderumors.com posted earlier that us and the cubs are willing to give Fuk U Dome big money. Then all afternoon its been the cubs, pads and a mystery team talking to him. I think KW is trying his best to go under the radar so he wont get outbid anymore He probably also doesn't want any leaks like with Hunter. I wonder if the Sox organ-i-zation is having Iguchi and Shingo call him? I hope we get him, but I hope we don't overpay. BTW, how old is he again? 30?

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Dec 6, 2007 -> 02:50 PM) Can we please stop referencing 2005? I don't mean to ruin striker's thread, but honestly, can everyone please move on? It'll be two and half seasons beginning in April since that fateful night. Quit mentioning it. Yes, it was a tremendous time for all White Sox fans; but the manner in which the team was constructed, divisional opponents, the players itself; everything was different. My Christmas wish is for a language filter to include the numbers "2005." It has to end sometime, right? I agree...if that same filter also blocks..."horrid," "terrible," "bad," and "2008." At least until opening day.

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QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Dec 5, 2007 -> 06:43 PM) Ever notice how all the Fortune 500 companies offering nice opportunities go to the campuses recognized for their excellent programs? That's true...but after that first job...doesn't matter except for networking.

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