Dick Allen

Uh, the season started at the end of March, not June 10th. They have already played KC 16 times. They are done with Baltimore, done with Seattle, done with Toronto. Their overall schedule has been soft. Pick and choose all you want, that was a tough stretch, but the fact remains, you would rather have them face KC and Detroit the rest of the way than Cleveland and Minnesota if you are looking for wins. And who said the Sox were headed to the cellar? Have you looked at Detroit and KC?

They were right on that one.

Wasn't Casey Gillaspie technically a top 100 prospect when the Rays traded him for Dan Jennings?

Might want to check out 1951-1967. Over.. 500 every year, and most of that time they played 154 games.

Right because it didn’t exist, and it was 29 years ago. They have had plenty of opportunities since, but you have an excuse for that. Why doesn’t 1991,1992,1995,1996,1997,1998,1999,2001,2002,2003,2004,2007,2009,2010,2011,2012,2013,2014,2015,2016,2017,2018,2019 matter?

Really going for it. Not hoping for pupedreams like Erstad to help them win.

That was 29 years ago. But they did fire the GM after that season.

You would think if they were so competitive for 23 years, they would have had one. If you or anyone else is satisfied with how things are and have gone, good for you. I am just pointing out IMO, they have given the fanbase plenty to complain about, and I an as sick and tired of Lip b****ing about antine who hasn't done an interview with him as the next guy.

2012 was quite a while ago. I think in JRs 39 seasons of ownership they average less than 1 win a season over .500. Mediocrity defined. 5 playoff appearance, 1 WS, the only seaon they won a playoff series. One odd thing, they've never been a wildcard team win the division or bust.

Yes. His title is the same today as it was then. I don't but the good move Hahn, bad move KW line. Besides Hahn admitted one of if not his first move as GM, signing Keppinger was all him. KW opposed.

When he was "going for it", the best he did was win 78 games. What has changed that makes you believe he is capable of picking the correct players to get the team over the top? Obviously, the Tatis trade was horrible, but coming in 2nd may have been the Shark trade. The Sox need pitchers. Hopefully trading for them isn't the option they choose.

The problem is the shrewd signings are few and far between.

I hope he is. His BABIP is down to .372 and his average had dropped 35 points. His framing stats are awful. Supposedly the staff likes throwing to him though and likes how he calls a game, but the team ERA is pretty inflated. He's definitely been a bargain though. Hopefully it's not a 100 game thing.

And any amateur GM could have drafted the other guys.

My point is you are giving them just as much time or even more in a few cases to get the job done, as teams that did not have these assets to trade. The point being, it should be a little farther along. We shouldn't be reading there are only 1 or 2 guys in the line up that results matter and who will be here when they are good at this point. The pitching staff is beyond woeful, and that is with a huge surprise, Giolito, becoming really good.

No it's not a weird take. Look at baseball execs' quotes before the rebuild began. Many said it would be the shortest rebuild of all time because of these assets, yet the kool aid drinkers point out it should take at least as long, if not longer than teams that rebuilt and couldn't trade for multiple major league ready prospects.

If the Sox didn't have Sale and Eaton and Q to trade, how long would this 5 year rebuild take? 20 or 30 years?

Nova sucks, but trading him won't save you money or net you a worthwhile prospect. Unless you want to see someone even worse than him on the hill every 5 days, trading him,, and I know this sounds crazy, doesn't make much sense.

If it only was that easy. I have waved my white flag as much as possible. Once the games get out of hand anymore, even if I am there, I am out of there. Up until last season I don't think, except for rain delays, I ever had left a White Sox game before it was over. I do it all the time now. But I have no confidence in management. They are trying to get in a position where they were before where adding correct pieces would lead to wins. They rarely add a correct piece. It's almost always wrong. Even the guys they miss out on, the Logan Morrison's of the world, were just wastes of money. Maybe they are due to be correct. That would be nice, but I don't think so.

Rosenthal wrote the Mets are looking for as much or more for Diaz than they gave up to get him. Scratch him off the list.

So ignore what they say, they don't mean it unless it works out perfectly. He said it, he owns it. There have been many bad decisions, by many people. There will be more bad decisions, but there better be some good ones, and not just the ones anyone can make.

White Sox fans have every right to be pissed off. That's the bottom line. If the fan police don't like it, who cares? You started a rebuild 3 years ago, got 10 prospects for 3 players. Had a #10 pick, a pick, then new golden boy scouting director said he would have picked 1-1. Excuses shouldn't be made daily for missed pop ups at this point.

I don't think all of the board would have thought 18 games ago the team was ahead of schedule, especially if you looked back at the schedules 2 or 3 years ago. They had a very soft first half schedule. The second half is a bit tougher. Their run differential which Steve Stone, now Mr. Optimist likes to use to say some other teams could be playing above their heads, was and is one of the worst in baseball. Beating Kc and Baltimore, and Detroit, while nice, and needing to be done, doesn't put a team ahead in a rebuild. You are, if the goal is to win championships, expected to be able to hang wjth good teams on a nightly basis. They don't seem very close to that right now. And JR, RH, and KW, whose bad decisions led a bad team to rebuild, are still calling the shots. That is pretty unprecedented.

White Sox fans "fragility" should be understood. They haven't had a bad week or two. They have had a bad decade, and they still have the same people calling the shots.

The Sox still are a bad baseball team. The bad stretch has now stretch many years. There seems to always be an excuse. This team has butchered 4 or 5 pop ups the last 2 weeks. You don’t see that at the Pony League level.