Dick Allen

Ome problem with holding these relievers until the deadline will be a lack of save opportunities.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 04:23 PM) Where are people hearing that Musgrove is a sticking point? where are these hypothetical Astros deals even coming from? Not questioning, just curious (since I was offline most of the weekend). Gammons tweeted the ask was Martes, Tucker, Musgrove. Lunhow was quoted leaving the Winter Meetings that they aren't prepared to trade anyone that would be a core to their 2017 production. Might not be the hold up, but it sort of makes some sense.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 04:15 PM) Interesting to think of it in these terms. Jansen's $80 million deal turns into a $154 million deal with the next luxury cap penalties included. With the old 50% threshold it would have been $120. The Turner deal at $64 million turns into 123.2 million versus $96 million under the old CBA. These two contracts are costing the team an EXTRA $61.2 million in penalties that weren't there a month ago. That total is barely smaller than the White Sox all time biggest contract in franchise history. Here it is explained better. It isn't as much as you think, but it is still a lot http://www.espn.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/...iggest-payrolls

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 09:44 AM) The Dodgers have the prospect depth to do it though. 1-1 draft slot is now $7.4 million. Taking on $20-30 million should net multiple top prospects. I just don't think it is feasible.

I don't see how that really works out for all involved. In the short term, the tax teams would just bite the bullet because if they give their better prospects away to save money, they will be in the position of having to spend more money to remain competitive because their system sucks.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 09:24 AM) If you guys want to get mad read the Crawfish Hunting thread about Quintana rumors. The most important thing to know is that Joe Musgrove could already give them Quintana like production next year. If the rumored asking price is legit, Musgrove could be the problem We're prepared to trade players to improve our club right now," Luhnow said before departing from the winter meetings Wednesday night. "We're just not prepared to trade away players that are core to our production in 2017, and those are sometimes the players that are required to get these deals done."

QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 11, 2016 -> 09:36 AM) Hopefully it's posturing because otherwise it's bulls*** It is just a writer's opinion that keeping him and signing a bunch of free agents in 2 years could make them a contender for 2019. No posturing. He says the Sox may need a guy like Q then. No s***, every team could use a guy like Q. But if they do absolutely have a hole in their rotation, doesn't it show these trades didn't work out as perfectly as hoped? Besides Hahn already has layed out his cards. As far as total rebuilds go, he is all in. Q is a goner.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 05:26 PM) As usual, DA has no idea what he's talking about. Jason and a Stone are great. So I complement them, and I have no idea what I'm talking about because you think they are great. Well, someone has no idea what they are talking about, as usual.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 04:53 PM) That's why it's not been done yet I think Musgrove may be the problem. Lunhow specially mentioned a 2017 piece. You can make a good case he is their #3 starter right now, If he made the trade he improves his top 3, but has the same 4/5. Tucker he probably would have to swallow deep to trade, but I think ultimately he would do it if he was just giving up prospects.

QUOTE (beautox @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 04:43 PM) The Rodgers/Pint/Tapia deal makes a ton of sense for the rox. Their infield isn't going anywhere with Story at SS and Arenado at 3B till he his FA in '19, Pint hasn't reached A and Tapia doesn't have a place in that outfield especially with them signing desmond. Rodgers could fit the bill for 3B of the future or replace TA or Yoan if they fail to make adjustments and flame out. Pint has a TOR arm but hasn't made it to A ball yet even after being the #4 pick overall last year and Tapia if everything breaks right you could be looking at a Kevin Pillar / Devon White type of player in CF. I like the alleged Pirates offer but that seems steep even after seeing what Sale and Eaton got, i could see one of Glasnow or Meadows + Bell or Newman + Mitch Keller. Either package and I would be happy. Pint and Beer on a future Sox roster would be pretty hysterical

Jason and Steve were a comedy show in 2016, and you are going to need that the next couple of years, as the on the field product is going to be hard to watch. And Hawk for half the games telling you how much potential everyone has and how in his 113 decades in the game he has never seen so much minor league talent, is good for the product as well. I just hope it works, and quickly.

QUOTE (PolishPrince34 @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 03:59 PM) Also gave up 4 prospects for Carlos Gomez. 3 of them top 75 guys.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 03:28 PM) Would you do Nate Jones for Josh Bell? For sure. But I think the Pirates might die laughing at that proposal, and I like Nate Jones as much as anyone.

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 03:12 PM) Besides, prospects are arguably more important to thr Pirates than any other team. They spend even less money than us on long term contracts. Prospects are their only way to stay competitive. Yeah. I can't see the Pirates going from almost trading Cutch for prospects to putting together a top prospect package for Q, unless they thought they could replace their top guys with the guys Cutch brought in, and therefore essentially trading Cutch for Q. But then they would have to spend some cash in their OF.

Unless the plan is to keep him until he retires, which could be possible, I think the Sox have to trade Abreu before the season starts. If they dump Frazier and Melky, there is zero motivation for the opposition to ever throw him a strike. Unless he accepts that he is going to walk 150 times, his numbers are going to drop because he is going to to swinging at a lot of crap.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/2018...ree-agents.html That is the list. It isn't a bad list but I do think except for Harper, Machado, and probably Kershaw, it is a bit overrated. I don't think the Sox have even a slight shot at Harper or Kershaw. JR saving his money until then might be able to shock the world and get Machado, but the odds have to be huge against it. Donaldson will be 33 in 2019, which is almost considered a fossil these days.

QUOTE (daa84 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 08:42 PM) scouting ranks on the fastballs for some of the guys at the top of our farm: Giolito: 80 Kopech: 80 Lopez: 70 Fuller: 70 Burdi: 75 Hansen: 70 Thats nuts. How does Burdi get a 75 on his gas?

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 10:28 AM) We seem to actually be able to scout/develop decent pitchers Fangraphs ripped him. We will see what happens. Anderson had an incredible BABIP, but someone compared him to Marte, and he has similar BABIP for his career. This guy just hasn't played much, and has never been on the same level for long. I don't think there is any conclusion that can be drawn until we see what he does. He could be a guy who makes major adjustments, strikes out less and walks more, or he could be a guy with a .268 OBP in July 2017. He looked a lot better to me than expected, and the ball does jump off his bat. I'm sure there are tons of guys who have become pretty good hitters who fangraphs would have written off as someone with Anderson's experience.

Can I ask why we should be pessimistic about Anderson, but a guy like Giolito should excite us?

I don't see how anyone can come to any conclusion that Tim Anderson won't be a decent hitter based on where he is in his career and 2016 numbers. TBH, his numbers were a lot better than I thought they would be. Sure, he could be a guy like Avi who had a nice run with the bat but it wasn't sustainable, or he could be a guy that develops. If his walk and k rate remain the same, Fangraphs has a point. If he adjusts, it's silly talk.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 08:25 AM) You and Greg are on your own plane of special. Good one.

If Lunhow doesn't want to take on any pain for his package for Q, he can sign Derek Holland.

Eaton was great with the White Sox. Averaged only about 0.5 WAR a year less than Bryce Harper the last 3. Definitely will be missed on the field, and seemed like a really good guy off. I really don't know where Deadpool is coming from. He probably would have a different take if Eaton was going to the Cubs.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 06:48 PM) One thing I actually do find interesting about Jones's Blown Save stat is that 1/2 of them in his career happened last year, in 2016 he has 9 blown saves. Compared to the rest of his career, his 2016 peripherals aren't bad. His K rate is normal, maybe even a bit high. His walk rate was the lowest of his career. His extra base hit rate was the best of his career. However, his home run rate spiked. From those numbers, I look at Jones and wonder if he wasn't slightly unlucky last year - a few extra HR and a few well placed hits cost him a lot of games and maybe even inflated his ERA a bit. With him blowing 9 saves, I can make a decent case that if he does the same thing next year (or if he's even slightly stronger being farther removed from TJS) he could look even better in 2017. Unlucky is probably accurate. 71 games pitched. 13 games he gave up runs. 9 of the 13 he gave up 1 run, and had 9 BS. The opposition had a hard time hitting him. The last month it was silly.

Nate Jones has entered a game in the 9th inning and blown a save exactly zero times in his career.