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QUOTE (oldsox @ Jul 22, 2015 -> 05:06 PM) Why is Adolpho on everybody's Top Ten? Extremely high ceiling.

QUOTE (Sox Fan In Husker Land @ Jul 22, 2015 -> 04:10 PM) In 2017 we could have an entire rotation 28 or younger and under team control through 2019. Chris Sale 28, $12 million. Under control through 2019. Jose Quintana 28, $7 million. Under control through 2020. Carlos Rodon 24, $660 K?. Under control through 2021. Erik Johnson 27 $660 K? Under control through 2020. Carson Fulmer 23 $660 K? Under control through 2022. In 2017 the bullpen could also still consist of Robertson, Duke, Nate Jones, Putnam, Petricka, Jennings, Webb, Montas, Danish and any others we chose to add. Pitching appears to be in good shape for the future. There is no need for Jeff Samardzija in the rotation costing $12 mill + a year. There will also be no more $15.75 mill from John Danks in there. We need to trade Samardzija (not for scraps but something or take the comp pick) and give Johnson and Rodon chances to grow the rest of this season and next so we can see what we have for the next couple of years. If they can't handle it we need to look for another solution in the rotation. This is a really good post.

1. Tim Anderson SS 2. Carson Fulmer RHP 3. Frankie Montas RHP 4. Spencer Adams RHP 5. Micah Johnson 2B 6. Tyler Danish RHP 7. Trey Michalczewski 3B 8. Courtney Hawkins OF 9. Micker Adolfo OF 10. Jacob May OF

Any chance Pittsburgh would trade their competitive balance pick in return for Ramirez? I'd take that deal for the White Sox in a heartbeat. Those picks are released today.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 22, 2015 -> 08:29 AM) Recap posted. Name getting my attention lately: Danny Dopico. Matt, Chris Comito is the 14th rounder that took $170,000 over slot. Dopico was a slot signing.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 11:21 PM) So keep Shark and extend him a QO. The Sox will be picking in the top 10 this year, little doubt about that at this point. With the comp pick for Shark and their first and second pick both being high, they can afford to lose one of those picks to sign an elite player. Your OF defense gets a major boost with Heyward out there and I think that takes a lot of pressure off Eaton as well. I suppose. Part of the reason why that comp pick is so valuable is because you'd gain tons of flexibility. Giving away the 2nd rounder and that $1.8 ish million slot isn't something I'd want to do.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 10:51 PM) Schwarber again. Their draft scouting is incredible They need to just stick him in LF and let him mash.

QUOTE (harkness @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 10:47 PM) Abreu is scaring me... I'm not sure who the real guy is. He has sucked hardcore as of late. His thumb is messed up. And everyone around him blows. He should probably go on the DL.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 10:40 PM) Agree to disagree, he is the exact type of player this organization needs and he's available this offseason. No one you're thinking of is. He'll get a QO though. They can't give up any more draft picks.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 10:38 PM) I think desperate contenders are the difference between now and then. I don't see how an NL pitcher with a 3.91 ERA earning 23.5M through 2018 is a bargain. If that's a bargain then the Sox need to deal Q now. Don't look at just ERA. Hamels has been awesome. He plays on an awful team. He's owed $90.5 million over next 4 years. He's a bargain compared to what guys will get this offseason.

QUOTE (Brian @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 04:51 AM) Is it possible that Soler isn't as great as people, including me, thought he'd be? I believe Melky has a better stat line than him now. Actually, Soler: .258, 5 HR, 26 RBI, .705 OPS Avisail Garcia: .272, 7 HR, 31 RBI, .703 OPS Anything is possible but players need like 1500-2000 at-bats

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 09:41 PM) I think he has been average but others argue he is way above in 2015. I do not see it. He's not a super duper star but he's really good. I think his thumb is really jacked up too.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 09:39 PM) Just think if Davidson comes up and does what Saladino is doing? We'd be stoked for our 3B and SS of the future. I'd consider DLing Abreu and bringing up Trayce Thompson actually. DH Garcia.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 09:38 PM) So is Abreu a phenom or just another guy? I still love him and expect him to homer every time up, but ... Just another guy? He's an .800 OPS player with nobody else in the lineup and he's playing injured.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 09:32 PM) I expect us to lose every game now so it's really not so painful. Did anybody hear Hawk tonight say he wasn't gonna give up til the Sox were eliminated cause there's too much talent? That's really an indictment (hint hint?) of Robin. If we got the talent, then where are the wins? We should be contending apparently. It's actually the opposite. The Sox are so far worse than the rest of the league offensively and defensively. They have a -WAR. That's awful. The fact that they are 42-48 instead of 20 games under speaks to how good the pitching is. The fact that they have the record they do is actually a positive for Robin.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 08:39 PM) he could have come up next year after the deadline. Is he learning his 3rd pitch? Is he learning to gain command? No, he's pitching for the highest odds to get the next man out...so Cooper/Ventura win 76 games instead of 72. No reason to be going through this part of his development in the majors. Disagree. That change up wouldn't have develop in AAA because we would have dominated with the fastball and slider.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 08:32 PM) What's better? Struggling up in the majors and gaining experience or going 7-8 innings consistently in the minors and looking special? Not sure. He's definitely looked pretty pedestrian thus far in the bigs. I don't have a violent opinion on this either way. He struggles with command. He had a 3.69 FIP coming into tonight. He hasn't looked pedestrian at all. He looks like a top of the rotation starter for many years to come.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 08:26 PM) They're wasting service time on this nonsense. Poor asset management all the way around. Not only would he preserve service time in Charlotte, he'd get better coaching and would be pitched to develop, not to be better than Noesi. He's not wasting service time. He came up after the deadline. They control him for 6 more seasons after this one. It's fine.

QUOTE (staxx @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 05:54 PM) Bowden's insider position rankings for trade value has Shark at #8 behind Casher, Ross, and Kazmir. Jon Heyman says this of the White Sox: If the White Sox wind up selling, Jeff Samardzija would be the big piece. The Blue Jays are one of a few that could be a fit, but the Dodgers seem to view him as a fallback candidate and the Royals appear to like others a bit more. The Yankees could be another fit. He'd make sense there as the Notre Dame football star doesn't mind a big stage. Here's the article: http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-he...-via-jon-heyman Bowden said: 8. Jeff Samardzija, RHP, Chicago White Sox: Has bounced back from his early struggles -- he has a streak of eight consecutive starts of seven innings of more -- and is ready to be dealt. 7. Alexei Ramirez, SS, Chicago White Sox: Ramirez's trade value is at an all-time low because of his absolutely dismal season. 16. Gordon Beckham, IF, White Sox: His ability to play three infield positions helps his value as a bench player. No mention of LaRoche or any of the relief pitchers.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 08:22 PM) Has Cooper worked with Rodon at all replicating his release point? Because he hasnt seemed to make any progress since he was called up In his defense, it's tough when you don't get consistent starts. He'll be fine.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 02:22 PM) To me though...all of those are setting up long-term except for the "taking a hypothetical college hitter at #6 and overpaying him" (which of course only works if there is a worthy college hitter at #6 who somehow falls). A comp pick isn't worth nothing, but taking the comp pick is 100% a "long term move". Even in the case of trading a guy like Gage said...how much would Adams bring in a trade right now? He's not chopped liver, but he's so far from the big leagues that he's not going to bring back much on his own, and he's about as good of a look as you can get from guys outside the first round. Oh, and we'd also be paying an extra $4 million to keep Samardzija around this season...and denying Johnson a chance to work in the big leagues for 2 months like he should get, on top of all the other things. It's just a pretty rotten call to make. I mixed it up. The slot amount would be around $4 million. I meant that you could go under there. My bad. Points well taken. I just don't think the comp pick is the worst thing in the world if they don't get offered something more valuable.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 02:06 PM) Just so I say it again...a comp pick is an abjectly terrible return for a player like this. When I looked through the comp picks over recent drafts, I think a reasonable result of a comp pick is a player with a 50% chance of making the big leagues and about a 10% chance of being a really good player/all star...with a 5 year gap before most guys contribute if at all and occasionally a bit faster. That's like the ultimate "rebuilding" move, a guy who is years from helping if at all. A B+ player, if he can fit into the lineup in the next 2 years, is vastly preferable to that to me, unless we're finally ready to admit this team won't be competitive until 2018 or later. At least get something that can help the big league roster in the next few years out of this. You are underrating the flexibility part of the situation though. Let's pretend that the Sox pick #6 overall. That pick would require a bonus of close to $4 million. Their comp pick would require a bonus of say $1.8 million. They would also have just over $1 million for their 2nd rounder. That's tons of flexibility. They could conceivably take a college hitter at #6 and pay him $3 million. That gives you room to draft talented players that fall in later rounds. It would also conceivable allow you take 3 top 50 players if you chose that route.

QUOTE (staxx @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 01:42 PM) Depends on what type of B/B+ prospect it is. Catcher? Make the deal. Anything else I'd be hesitant, and inclined to just get the draft pick. I disagree with this. I don't want a catcher in return. Teams don't have catchers to trade. The catcher acquired wouldn't be much better than what White Sox currently have. I'd target SS, 3B, or OF before C in trades because you have a better chance at upgrading those positions.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 10:32 AM) This team could use a guy like Showalter. Buck would be just the right voice for this club. Too bad he's in Baltimore. If anyone could solve fundemental issues and change a culture, it would be Buck. I'll be honest, as much as it cringes me, I'd also fully support Dusty Baker (I realize he runs pitchers into the ground, but he's also been a pretty consistent winner despite his hatred for all things sabs). Won a lot in San Fran, won with the Cubs (hard to do), and then again with the Reds (who thought he didn't do enough, so they got rid of him, and then the Reds turned into a bigger dumpster fire). Okay so Baker probably isn't the actual solution, but I think even more so in this era of pitching, the AL is going to have to adjust and move to a more NL style of play. That 1 run makes a much larger difference in an ERA where runs are down and therefore the execution, the baserunning, the little things that became so watered down in the steroid era (and even more waterdown in the AL where the DH's were the most fully loaded roiders around) are now so critical and a lot of these AL squads just aren't as schooled in it or the philosphies still seem to be a bit in the stoneage. Sox philosophy sure seems like it. The pitching and belief to have strong pitching, we can all agree with. But we have lousy baserunning and lousy defense. To me, that is inexcusable without having some massive clotters out their who can out homer everyone. I believe this team needs better players. Showalter would most likely be 42-48 with this bunch as well.

I saw a stat about Petricka showing his Hits/Walks to K rate and it's not good. He's the guy I'd move if they could maximize the return. I like relievers that strike people out.