ptatc Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 23, 2016 -> 02:58 PM) I just think operating like they are operating isn't going to lead to wins. It's as half assed as anything the White Sox have done. Most teams have a budget set by the owner or ownership group. The GM can only work with the resources given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 And also that rosenbloom despite rabbit saying Josh bell being unlikely to come over continued to bring up Bell coming over because it was only name he probably knew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 23, 2016 -> 03:22 PM) Most teams have a budget set by the owner or ownership group. The GM can only work with the resources given. I understand that but the owner got into it with a fan just in the past week because the fan said he was more concerned about the bottom line than winning. Adding a $6 or $7 million salary is hardly a franchise killer. If they have to trade the face of their franchise to add a guy who is paid like a 4th or 5th starter, they aren't committed to winning. Once this window closes, they might regret that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 I know it's not in Jerry's nature, but wouldn't it make sense to pick up some of Q's money to extract more value from the Pirates? Then you can let Cutch regain value during the season, trade him at the deadline, and move Meadows in. Sox could ask for Glasnow, Bell, and Newman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 23, 2016 -> 03:25 PM) I understand that but the owner got into it with a fan just in the past week because the fan said he was more concerned about the bottom line than winning. Adding a $6 or $7 million salary is hardly a franchise killer. If they have to trade the face of their franchise to add a guy who is paid like a 4th or 5th starter, they aren't committed to winning. Once this window closes, they might regret that. I'm not disageeing with your point. Im just saying that it's not every owner wants to sink everything he or they have into the team. Maybe he's got a 1mil a month alimony payment. Who knows but they aren't in it to go broke. The owner sets the budget they are comfotable with and the GM needs to work within it. If it's not enough to win, then they need to find another way. This could be it for the pirates. McCutchen wasn't putting them over the top so they are trading him and the salary for other pieces. They may also know something about him that others don't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 23, 2016 -> 03:32 PM) I know it's not in Jerry's nature, but wouldn't it make sense to pick up some of Q's money to extract more value from the Pirates? Then you can let Cutch regain value during the season, trade him at the deadline, and move Meadows in. Sox could ask for Glasnow, Bell, and Newman. It would be ridiculous, but they already are having a tough time coming up with the correct package if they are getting other teams involved, so I don't see where they would be willing to give up more. Edited December 23, 2016 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 23, 2016 -> 03:32 PM) I know it's not in Jerry's nature, but wouldn't it make sense to pick up some of Q's money to extract more value from the Pirates? Then you can let Cutch regain value during the season, trade him at the deadline, and move Meadows in. Sox could ask for Glasnow, Bell, and Newman. I guess we could, but really is there enough money involved that it would materially improve the deal? I mean I would take on the extra money if it mean the difference between Kellen and Meadows, but would it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saufley Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 23, 2016 -> 03:32 PM) I know it's not in Jerry's nature, but wouldn't it make sense to pick up some of Q's money to extract more value from the Pirates? Then you can let Cutch regain value during the season, trade him at the deadline, and move Meadows in. Sox could ask for Glasnow, Bell, and Newman. I'm not that familiar with all of the prospects but, with all of the names mentioned it seems the most valuable piece to a trade would start with Meadows. Am I wrong? Of course the Pirates would have to say yes to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 This'll fall through because of Pittsburgh. I'm honestly waiting for a Houston nugget. Maybe not. Maybe they're staying true to their word and will only give up what they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 The Pirates do not want to part with Meadows or Bell, the three team isn't likely to happen and the Pirates need to move salary in order to take on Q's. Yet, the Pirates are still pushing to get a deal done, how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 23, 2016 -> 03:41 PM) The Pirates do not want to part with Meadows or Bell, the three team isn't likely to happen and the Pirates need to move salary in order to take on Q's. Yet, the Pirates are still pushing to get a deal done, how? If they are willing to give up McCutchen instead to get more prospects from the Yankees, more power to them. I am not particular about where the kids come from, but I am particular about getting a big haul for Q. If that means getting guys like Andujar and Rutherford from the Yankees instead, cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Nice segment raBBit, you sounded a lot more educated than the usual suspects on that show. For those of you who want a summary, there wasn't much more than we've already discussed here. He brought up the individual players, how the Pirates have budget constraints so they may need to deal McCutchen, discussed the Sox new moves internally with scouting and player development and discussed the packages that Hahn might come back with (likely four players). Futuresox.com was mentioned as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 23, 2016 -> 03:41 PM) The Pirates do not want to part with Meadows or Bell, the three team isn't likely to happen and the Pirates need to move salary in order to take on Q's. Yet, the Pirates are still pushing to get a deal done, how? if they want to get a team to pay mccutchen, teams will surely be up for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 23, 2016 -> 03:43 PM) If they are willing to give up McCutchen instead to get more prospects from the Yankees, more power to them. I am not particular about where the kids come from, but I am particular about getting a big haul for Q. If that means getting guys like Andujar and Rutherford from the Yankees instead, cool. Does cutch really make that much sense for the Yankees? That team really needs pitching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 QUOTE (New Era on South Side @ Dec 23, 2016 -> 03:44 PM) Nice segment raBBit, you sounded a lot more educated than the usual suspects on that show. For those of you who want a summary, there wasn't much more than we've already discussed here. He brought up the individual players, how the Pirates have budget constraints so they may need to deal McCutchen, discussed the Sox new moves internally with scouting and player development and discussed the packages that Hahn might come back with (likely four players). Futuresox.com was mentioned as well. It was a good segment Glasnow is legit, I have no issue stocking up on premium arms Too much talk about bell though. Pittsburgh likely wants to keep him and might be willing to move Newman or other prospects Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Hell, we should be willing to take McCutchen if that's what needs to happen. Flip him at the deadline for some more pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 23, 2016 -> 01:48 PM) It was a good segment Glasnow is legit, I have no issue stocking up on premium arms Too much talk about bell though. Pittsburgh likely wants to keep him and might be willing to move Newman or other prospects So Pittsburgh doesn't want to move Meadows or Bell? This sounds like the reason for Yankees being involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con te Giolito Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 I don't think the issue is Bell or Meadows I think it's the money. Pretty ridiculous that money is the issue with Jose friggin Quintana but here we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 23, 2016 -> 03:44 PM) Does cutch really make that much sense for the Yankees? That team really needs pitching I have no idea what the Yankees motivation is for him, but there seems to be smoke for the fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 23, 2016 -> 03:43 PM) If they are willing to give up McCutchen instead to get more prospects from the Yankees, more power to them. I am not particular about where the kids come from, but I am particular about getting a big haul for Q. If that means getting guys like Andujar and Rutherford from the Yankees instead, cool. That's what I'm saying. If the third team isn't likely then McCutchen stays put, and they do not want to part with Bell or Meadows, it's hard to see how the Pirates can pull that off. What would make sense is if the Mets are the third team. The Mets were rumored to be interested in McCutchen and Robertson plus they have quality prospects. A three way between the Sox, Mets and Pirates makes much more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrlesque Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 It's only been a few hours, and this rumor already feels stale. Sox trade Q and don't get Meadows, Torres or Frazier back? I guess Glasnow + Rutherford would be nice, but it feels like settling. I'm still hoping someone really steps with with one of the so-called "untouchables." The value of Jose Quintana for four years plus his below-market contract should be worth it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrlesque Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Question to fill the time: Who would you guys rather have, Blake Rutherford or Kyle Tucker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Rutherford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Dec 23, 2016 -> 04:05 PM) Question to fill the time: Who would you guys rather have, Blake Rutherford or Kyle Tucker? Very tough call on tucker vs Rutherford. I might lean tucker, but it's close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sir Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Dec 23, 2016 -> 03:05 PM) Question to fill the time: Who would you guys rather have, Blake Rutherford or Kyle Tucker? Tucker. Not close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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