May 17, 20178 yr QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ May 17, 2017 -> 04:09 PM) I like Rosenthal rumors. Houston and Pitt match up well for trade partners so who knows. Pirates fans are probably happy they kept their prospects (granted Meadows hasn't been good this year). Definitely need more than Q to be good. No Kang for likely a full year and no Marte for half a season hurts. And Freese always seems to go on the dl consistently. Edited May 17, 20178 yr by soxfan2014
May 17, 20178 yr I think at this point Pittsburgh is way more of a competitor than a trade partner. I'm worried about Cole being put on the market.
May 17, 20178 yr QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 17, 2017 -> 04:17 PM) Would love to see Cooper fix Matt Harvey after we dump Hollland/MiGo/Shields. Probably won't happen. But at least it would be entertaining. No thanks, not really interested in a guy who already had Thoracic Outlet surgery
May 17, 20178 yr QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ May 17, 2017 -> 04:20 PM) Pirates fans are probably happy they kept their prospects (granted Meadows hasn't been good this year). Definitely need more than Q to be good. No Kang for likely a full year and no Marte for half a season hurts. And Freese always seems to go on the dl consistently. The Pirates have had it rough so far and I doubt it gets better for them. Huntington seems to have played his cards right by not going crazy to get Q last winter. Was hoping Pitt could compete until the deadline to keep them in the mix for Q and Cole off the trade market but that's not looking good. Worse yet, I can totally see the Yanks getting after Cole. The Pirates farm could get a nice boost this summer.
May 17, 20178 yr QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ May 17, 2017 -> 04:28 PM) I think at this point Pittsburgh is way more of a competitor than a trade partner. I'm worried about Cole being put on the market. Yeah, a 1 year rental too.
May 17, 20178 yr Astros fans on reddit saying their top 5 prospects are clearly off the table if they go after Cole. I can't think of a dumber fanbase
May 17, 20178 yr QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ May 17, 2017 -> 05:07 PM) The Pirates have had it rough so far and I doubt it gets better for them. Huntington seems to have played his cards right by not going crazy to get Q last winter. Was hoping Pitt could compete until the deadline to keep them in the mix for Q and Cole off the trade market but that's not looking good. Worse yet, I can totally see the Yanks getting after Cole. The Pirates farm could get a nice boost this summer. Pirates might be closer to selling than buying at this point. Glasnow has been a disaster so far, and Meadows does not appear close to mlb ready with the bat just yet.
May 17, 20178 yr QUOTE (reiks12 @ May 17, 2017 -> 05:20 PM) Astros fans on reddit saying their top 5 prospects are clearly off the table if they go after Cole. I can't think of a dumber fanbase I think all fan bases are relatively the same when it comes to things like this. http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article....articleid=19297 Edited May 17, 20178 yr by maxjusttyped
May 17, 20178 yr QUOTE (maxjusttyped @ May 17, 2017 -> 05:39 PM) I think all fan bases are relatively the same when it comes to things like this. http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article....articleid=19297 Agreed. All fan bases overvalue their prospects to a certain extent.
May 17, 20178 yr QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ May 17, 2017 -> 05:53 PM) Agreed. All fan bases overvalue their prospects to a certain extent. Except we only overvalue them after trading them.
May 17, 20178 yr QUOTE (Quinarvy @ May 17, 2017 -> 04:01 PM) Except we only overvalue them after trading them. And undervalue them prior to then.
May 18, 20178 yr That's because the White Sox would have the best bullpen in the history of baseball with Chris The Dragon Devenski and Zach Burdi added to Swarzak, Kahnle, Jones and Robertson.
May 18, 20178 yr QUOTE (reiks12 @ May 17, 2017 -> 05:20 PM) Astros fans on reddit saying their top 5 prospects are clearly off the table if they go after Cole. I can't think of a dumber fanbase Fans always overvalue their own prospects and assume they will all reach their lofty projections when most do not. If a prospect ends up as a solid mlb regular that is a huge win in most cases. Houston has a very good farm system, with talent at the top as well as depth at the bottom. They absolutely have the prospects to go out and swing multiple trades if decide they need to add talent.
May 18, 20178 yr Do you guys think we lost the window to trade Q in the near term? Performance down (albeit a small sample size), other possible contenders dropping out creating supply of other SP's to deal (Cueto, etc).
May 18, 20178 yr QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ May 18, 2017 -> 09:30 AM) Do you guys think we lost the window to trade Q in the near term? Performance down (albeit a small sample size), other possible contenders dropping out creating supply of other SP's to deal (Cueto, etc). No... Q is a long term solution. He has a few cheap years left on his contract. Most of the other pitchers available are rental players that are a short term solution.
May 18, 20178 yr QUOTE (yesterday333 @ May 18, 2017 -> 10:33 AM) No... Q is a long term solution. He has a few cheap years left on his contract. Most of the other pitchers available are rental players that are a short term solution. Meaning they will cost significantly less.
May 18, 20178 yr QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ May 18, 2017 -> 09:35 AM) Meaning they will cost significantly less. Yes but I would say teams looking to compete for a long time rather than just this year will be more likely to give up more for long term solution rather than paying a FA more in the offseason.
May 18, 20178 yr QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ May 18, 2017 -> 10:30 AM) Do you guys think we lost the window to trade Q in the near term? Performance down (albeit a small sample size), other possible contenders dropping out creating supply of other SP's to deal (Cueto, etc). Yes, probably. Maybe the Yankees bite in July, but I don't see a match for an in-season trade anymore. I'm just assuming Quintana never gets traded. Edited May 18, 20178 yr by flavum
May 20, 20178 yr QUOTE (Jack Parkman @ Apr 24, 2017 -> 09:19 AM) Guys, It is going to be incredibly hard for Q to get his ERA below 4 this season, even if he's typical Q for most of the rest of the year. When you go through your first 4 starts with an ERA approaching 7 it is not easy to recover this season. We might be holding on to him until trade deadline 2018. Just be prepared at this point for him to start 2018 on the Sox. Bump
May 20, 20178 yr If you guys want to get angry read this http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/white-s...-jose-quintana/
May 20, 20178 yr QUOTE (bmags @ May 20, 2017 -> 06:14 AM) If you guys want to get angry read this http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/white-s...-jose-quintana/ If you don't have high K numbers, they don't consider you an ace (unless your name is Tanaka or Keuchel). We here all know his value as a TOR arm, and so does the Sox FO. Piss on what some dopey scouts say. He's #1 on most teams.
May 20, 20178 yr QUOTE (bmags @ May 20, 2017 -> 06:14 AM) If you guys want to get angry read this http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/white-s...-jose-quintana/ I'm triggered. Since 2012 he's 11th in fWAR among all MLB pitchers. Since 2013 he's 7th in fWAR among all MLB pitchers. Since 2014 he's 8th in fWAR among all MLB pitchers. Since 2015 he's 9th in fWAR among all MLB pitchers. Since 2016 he's 9th in fWAR among all MLB pitchers. In 2017 he's tied for 20th in fWAR among qualified pitchers. That's pretty damn good for a "#3" In his last 6 starts he's put together this line: 40 IP, 39 K, 8.78 K/9, 29 H, 15 BB, 3.38 BB/9, 2.70 ERA, 1.10 WHIP, 2-2 record.
May 20, 20178 yr QUOTE (bmags @ May 20, 2017 -> 06:14 AM) If you guys want to get angry read this http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/white-s...-jose-quintana/ I can at least buy the AL scout's opinion of him, but the NL scout's interpretation of him is f***ing ridiculous.
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