2 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

If it wasn't for the gopher ball issue/PTGTRW shit, I'd prefer Bumgarner over Wheeler, mostly because of his left-handedness. Bum struck out 200 guys last year, so it looks like he still has it for the most part. If the ball is de-juiced and the HRs become flyouts, then what happens to Bumgarner's performance? 

He strikes me as the next King Felix debacle.. Signs big contract and due to all of his innings at such a young age compltely implodes.. He would make me insanely nervous.

I am thinking this Phillies stuff broke today because they knew they were out on Hamels.  If so, they have some money to play with.

Just now, cjgalloway said:

He strikes me as the next King Felix debacle.. Signs big contract and due to all of his innings at such a young age compltely implodes.. He would make me insanely nervous.

I get it. 

Wheeler or bust.

22 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

It's been said that Gio and Lopez were hurt near the top of the list by poor pitch framing which is on McCann and Castillo. That's why I see no need for McCann to be Gio's personal catcher unless he strictly prefers it. But I'm sure he knows the numbers on being hurt by pitching framing and will be open to having Grandal catch him.

I think Gio and McCann are on the same wavelength.  McCann puts down the sign and Gio throws the ball.  Gio has confidence in how McCann calls the game.

who knows what's going on now

1 minute ago, Sleepy Harold said:

who knows what's going on now

Wow, you don't say... the Phillies are in on "everyone" again.

And no one knows.

Edited December 4, 20196 yr by Look at Ray Ray Run

3 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said:

who knows what's going on now

I assume that suggests one, or the other, regarding Wheeler and Strasburg, not both. That is unless Ray is right about lots of bluster.

Edited December 4, 20196 yr by Lillian

2 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said:

who knows what's going on now

Good. Hopefully this moves them off of Wheeler, leaving it to the Sox and Reds for him.

If you look closely, one of the tattoos says “Sign Wheeler Today”

 Bumgarner now expected to get $100 mil +?

4 minutes ago, Perfect Vision said:

 Bumgarner now expected to get $100 mil +?

HARD pass on Bumgarner at over $100 mil.

1 minute ago, Sockin said:

HARD pass on Bumgarner at over $100 mil.

Hard pass on Bumgarner over $50 mil.

Just now, raBBit said:

Hard pass on Bumgarner over $50 mil.

Gun to head, do you think the Sox will get Wheeler?

5 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said:

Gun to head, do you think the Sox will get Wheeler?

Yep!

13 minutes ago, Perfect Vision said:

 Bumgarner now expected to get $100 mil +?

That’s disgusting

22 minutes ago, BackDoorBreach said:

No, he doesn't pitch in the most pitcher friendly park and probably division in baseball.  

Bum gave up 30 HRs, evenly split at 15/15.  If you put him here he would have been destroyed.

 

Guess we're lucky that last year isn't next year. He's a great pitcher and still relatively young and I have always believed his arm would bounce back after all those post season innings and the dirt bike accident and last year it did. I think the 2nd year back from all that will be a lot more productive. You don't .

11 minutes ago, raBBit said:

Hard pass on Bumgarner over $50 mil.

This is exactly how I feel.

11 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said:

Gun to head, do you think the Sox will get Wheeler?

They have just as good as chance as anyone. Will the Reds allow themselves to get beat by the White Sox on Grandal AND Wheeler? 

1 minute ago, raBBit said:

They have just as good as chance as anyone. Will the Reds allow themselves to get beat by the White Sox on Grandal AND Wheeler? 

Yep!

45 minutes ago, bmags said:

OTOH sox could use some good intensity in the club house, and I've never heard people didn't like bumgarner on their team.

Yes he is fiercely competitive and would offer a wealth of knowledge to the Sox young pitchers. No pitcher likes HR's being hit off them and he shows it more by getting angry with the hitter if he perceives you watched it too much ,but I'd imagine he's just taking out the anger at himself on the hitter. I highly doubt he would clash with Anderson or Grandal especially when they pimp a HR that wins him and the team some games .

Hard pass on Madison Bumgarner, period. 

He's a jackass that yells into the sky every time an opposing player shows any semblance of emotion on the field. 

Yea, good luck with him and Tim Anderson on the same team.

At those number for pitching, beef up the lineup in RF and DH and pray for a miracle from Lopez, Kopech, Cease. 

The pitching market is just absurd at this point. 

 

6 minutes ago, raBBit said:

They have just as good as chance as anyone. Will the Reds allow themselves to get beat by the White Sox on Grandal AND Wheeler? 

If the Reds do get desperate, I wonder if Wheeler would still pick the Sox if the Reds had a slightly higher offer (key word being slightly).  If the Sox offer 5 years $105M and the Reds offer 5 years $110M, I still think he might pick the Sox.

8 minutes ago, raBBit said:

They have just as good as chance as anyone. Will the Reds allow themselves to get beat by the White Sox on Grandal AND Wheeler? 

Thanks for the response. If the money is equal, I don’t see why Wheeler would pick the Reds over the Sox. The Sox are in a much easier division and I’d have to think that Chicago is a more attractive destination than Cincinnati.