Bernie will try to strip Anti-Trust

[southsider2k5]

 

[wrathofhahn]

1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said:

 

Save American baseball by stripping it of it's anti-trust? Yeah that makes sense.

[35thstreetswarm]

6 minutes ago, wrathofhahn said:

Save American baseball by stripping it of it's anti-trust? Yeah that makes sense.

You say that like it's self-evident.  It's not.  How is it that the antitrust exemption helps the fan experience?

[KBX]

In baseball it's useful and baseball is pretty much socioeconomically inconsequential. But where is Bernie when it comes to Google and 'Meta' and many others? Nowhere. Because his larger aims of 'global social democracy' and Zionism hinge on this authoritarian corporatism. It's not surprising he would posture as a trust-buster with something trivial like major league baseball. 

[35thstreetswarm]

2 minutes ago, KBX said:

In baseball it's useful and baseball is pretty much socioeconomically inconsequential. But where is Bernie when it comes to Google and 'Meta' and many others? Nowhere. Because his larger aims of 'global social democracy' and Zionism hinge on this authoritarian corporatism. It's not surprising he would posture as a trust-buster with something trivial like major league baseball. 

Are you kidding?  He has long been an outspoken critic of Meta and Google monopolistic activities.  He got plenty of heat for it in his last presidential run.  https://www.foxnews.com/tech/bernie-sanders-says-hed-absolutely-try-to-break-up-facebook-google.  https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/01/18/bloomberg-breaking-big-tech/  You are uninformed.

Global social democracy and zionism?  Take your anti-semitic conspiracy theories and shove them.

[wrathofhahn]

It's pretty self-evident because unless you live in New York or one of the larger markets baseball basically is constructed for the good of the "whole" rather than a bunch of independent franchises operating completely in their self-interest.

Without anti-trust there is nothing prevent small market teams from moving their teams to larger cities other than provoking ire from other owners. Furthermore at a time of record inflation where many Americans are worried about how to put food on their table and massive suffering around the world it is f'n trite to be having a debate about MLB antitrust.

Maybe Sanders could focus on an issue that actually matters to Americans.

 

Edited March 23, 2022 by wrathofhahn

[KBX]

1 minute ago, 35thstreetswarm said:

Are you kidding?  He has long been an outspoken critic of Meta and Google monopolistic activities.  He got plenty of heat for it in his last presidential run.  https://www.foxnews.com/tech/bernie-sanders-says-hed-absolutely-try-to-break-up-facebook-google.  https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/01/18/bloomberg-breaking-big-tech/  You are uninformed.

Global social democracy and zionism?  Take your anti-semitic conspiracy theories and shove them.

Oh, I guess he is vainly anti-big-business in a more consistent manner than I thought. It doesn't matter, however, because Bernie is what I said he was. Anyone who thinks a sitting senator genuinely and meaningfully opposes corporatism is not 'informed.' 

[DoUEvenShift]

Over under on when this gets locked? I got page 4. 

[35thstreetswarm]

1 minute ago, DoUEvenShift said:

Over under on when this gets locked? I got page 4. 

Should be page 1.

[southsider2k5]

25 minutes ago, KBX said:

In baseball it's useful and baseball is pretty much socioeconomically inconsequential. But where is Bernie when it comes to Google and 'Meta' and many others? Nowhere. Because his larger aims of 'global social democracy' and Zionism hinge on this authoritarian corporatism. It's not surprising he would posture as a trust-buster with something trivial like major league baseball. 

You know I was just thinking, you know what would make this off-season even better, some anti-semitism.  Enjoy making up your next new Soxtalk log in.

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

29 minutes ago, wrathofhahn said:

It's pretty self-evident because unless you live in New York or one of the larger markets baseball basically is constructed for the good of the "whole" rather than a bunch of independent franchises operating completely in their self-interest.

Without anti-trust there is nothing prevent small market teams from moving their teams to larger cities other than provoking ire from other owners. Furthermore at a time of record inflation where many Americans are worried about how to put food on their table and massive suffering around the world it is f'n trite to be having a debate about MLB antitrust.

Maybe Sanders could focus on an issue that actually matters to Americans.

 

What?

The NBA and NFL, two leagues that don't have exemptions, are much better constructed for the "good of the whole" than MLB.

I don't think you seem to understand what an anti-trust exemption grants. Might want to read up on what it means before spewing off a bunch of nonsense.

edit: the way MLB operates the MiLB for example would not be allowed had they not had an exemption and no one can argue that isn't a large worker base that is being greatly exploited. 

Edited March 23, 2022 by Look at Ray Ray Run

[chw42]

It only took 4 whole posts before this got weird.

[wegner]

Does Bernie have the power to strip the Chicago White Sox from Uncle Jerry??

[Tony]

7 minutes ago, chw42 said:

It only took 4 whole posts before this got weird.

In 2022 it's seemingly impossible to even bring up the mention of politics without people hammering their keyboards until their fingers bleed. 

[Timmy U]

Aside from the merits of this action one way or the other, it will never pass cuz nothing passes the U.S. Senate.  It is a completely broken institution.  Still might not be as bad as the Sox current offseason.

[Quin]

17 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

What?

The NBA and NFL, two leagues that don't have exemptions, are much better constructed for the "good of the whole" than MLB.

I don't think you seem to understand what an anti-trust exemption grants. Might want to read up on what it means before spewing off a bunch of nonsense.

edit: the way MLB operates the MiLB for example would not be allowed had they not had an exemption and no one can argue that isn't a large worker base that is being greatly exploited. 

Oklahoma City is somehow both a warning (easier relocation), but also a sign that the NBA model encourages smaller markets to try and will be rewarded with loyal as hell fanbases (they've sold out almost every year of their existence).

[Colome's Hat]

2 hours ago, KBX said:

In baseball it's useful and baseball is pretty much socioeconomically inconsequential. But where is Bernie when it comes to Google and 'Meta' and many others? Nowhere. Because his larger aims of 'global social democracy' and Zionism hinge on this authoritarian corporatism. It's not surprising he would posture as a trust-buster with something trivial like major league baseball. 

I'm a Jewish communist.  This is offensive on so many levels.

[pettie4sox]

INB4 LOCK!

[mac9001]

There's some very valid reasons you can argue against MLB having an antitrust exemption given their treatment (or financial abuse) of minor leaguers. But in an environment where the MLB would need to collectively bargain with MiLB players it would undoubtedly end with significant contraction of current MiLB teams. It would also likely lead to a significant probability of existing franchises moving cities. Take the White Sox and what has now become one of the oldest, most dated stadiums in baseball. They're a perfect candidate to jump ship for a city like Las Vegas if they're offering a substantial stadium subsidy. 

In the end as a White Sox fan I would be very concerned about the teams future in an environment with no antitrust exemption. The Sox would instantly become a flight risk and they likely wouldn't be willing to commit the additional financial resources to keep their farm system competitive in the absence of the current highly financial favorable situation MLB enjoys with the current system of minor leagues.  

[caulfield12]

4 hours ago, Colome's Hat said:

I'm a Jewish communist.  This is offensive on so many levels.

What is your position on JR losing the team?  A bridge still way too far, lol?  There's too much religious and Nazi irony flying around the world today (including from members of our own Congress), to the point it's losing any remaining shock value.

Edited March 24, 2022 by caulfield12

[Colome's Hat]

16 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

What is your position on JR losing the team?  A bridge still way too far, lol?  There's too much religious and Nazi irony flying around, to the point it's losing any remaining shock value.

I am counting down the days till Reinsdorf is no longer the owner.  But I am a literal communist.

[caulfield12]

13 minutes ago, Colome's Hat said:

I am counting down the days till Reinsdorf is no longer the owner.  But I am a literal communist.

What would a "figurative" Communist/Socialist be?

[Colome's Hat]

3 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

What would a "figurative" Communist/Socialist be?

I don't know.  I personally want to abolish the state.  I come from the Anarcho Communist tradition.  In reality, especially when applying it to today's politics, I'm a DSA member and would put myself in the democratic socialist category, at least in terms of what can be done while I'm alive.  But I think in order to survive as a planet, we likely need to get something resembling an anarcho communist society.

[wrathofhahn]

7 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

What?

The NBA and NFL, two leagues that don't have exemptions, are much better constructed for the "good of the whole" than MLB.

I don't think you seem to understand what an anti-trust exemption grants. Might want to read up on what it means before spewing off a bunch of nonsense.

edit: the way MLB operates the MiLB for example would not be allowed had they not had an exemption and no one can argue that isn't a large worker base that is being greatly exploited. 

I am not sure what you are attempting to argue. NBA, NFL, NHL, etc teams operate as monopolies in their territories and are given exclusive rights. What there has been is the lack sort of will on the owners part to run afoul of each other and take them to court but Al Davis famously did and won so it's not like it's an impossibility.

For MLB owners because of the anti-trust decision it's impossible to exert any sort of leverage over the rest of the league. It's one of the reasons why the MLB has had so few relocation's in comparison to other leagues.

 

[Two-Gun Pete]

3 hours ago, mac9001 said:

It would also likely lead to a significant probability of existing franchises moving cities. Take the White Sox and what has now become one of the oldest, most dated stadiums in baseball. They're a perfect candidate to jump ship for a city like Las Vegas if they're offering a substantial stadium subsidy. 

Wait, didn't MLB have an anti-trust exemption when JR threatened to move to Tampa? Isn't there NOW a shitty, dated turd of a stadium in Tampa NOW, because of JR'S threat to move there? Isn't there NOW a crappy (for IL taxpayers) stadium under JR'S control that was built while MLB enjoyed the antitrust exemption? 

Sorry, but you're flat-out wrong on this issue, full stop.

Edited March 24, 2022 by Two-Gun Pete