So now that Catcher is on the list of massive holes in the lineup, what can the Sox do there? 

Could Grandal for Perez still be an option if KC is only interested in getting out of the money, or would the Sox have to add now that it's known that Grandal is damaged goods? 

Edited December 20, 20223 yr by Jack Parkman

8 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

Sox better find some SP depth if Burke isn't going to factor in until August.  He's currently 2nd in line.  

Would be nice if we could deal off a spare part for a SP with options.

Edited December 20, 20223 yr by Bob Sacamano

14 hours ago, maxjusttyped said:

What the Sox were running out as upper minors pitching depth last season was a total embarrassment. I'm with you. They need to address it. It went overlooked, but Charlotte was regularly running out 2 or 3 bullpen games per week because the Sox weren't willing or able to build a viable AAA rotation.

Right and I'm particularly vexed that it hasn't been addressed while they are picking up minor league contracts for OFers and catchers left and right.

Pitching depth is abysmal.

13 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

So was Chris Bassitt 

Bassitt was a way better prospect than Martin

11 minutes ago, FourEyesShottenhoffer said:

Bassitt was a way better prospect than Martin

Not hugely. Futuresox didn't have Bassitt in their top 25 midseason in 2014 and that's when he was cracking into the big leagues.

Here's a different scout who dropped him in at 15.

https://www.minorleagueball.com/2014/3/2/5461844/chicago-white-sox-top-20-prospects-for-2014

 

No offense but I’d go with Sickels ratings that you posted over future sox every time. He was always my go to guy for prospect rankings. Probably why I remember Bassitt being more highly rated than Martin.

3 hours ago, Jack Parkman said:

So now that Catcher is on the list of massive holes in the lineup, what can the Sox do there? 

Could Grandal for Perez still be an option if KC is only interested in getting out of the money, or would the Sox have to add now that it's known that Grandal is damaged goods? 

Now?  It's been on the list all off season, Jack.  

Martin did what he did because he had a velo increase. If it's still there next year there's no reason to call it a flash in the pan.

Not particularly novel to see a pitcher make a sudden leap in stuff. 

NBB reiterating they’re going young at 2B and RF

 

43 minutes ago, fathom said:

NBB reiterating they’re going young at 2B and RF

 

It’s not that difficult to find a 2nd baseman who is an upgrade over Romy Gonzalez. This franchise is pathetic.

2 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said:

It’s not that difficult to find a 2nd baseman who is an upgrade over Romy Gonzalez. This franchise is pathetic.

Leury is going to get way too many at bats

The Sox haven't had a 2nd basemen surpass 2 fWAR in almost 20 years. Romy/Sosa/Popeye sets up to be an inevitable black hole again.

If they're contending, they'll end up trading for a Segura or Profar type as a stopgap for prospects *and* money when they could sign a solid player for just money right now and be done with it.

2 minutes ago, fathom said:

Leury is going to get way too many at bats

He is inevitable. Leury will still be getting 400 ABs in 2032.

1 hour ago, fathom said:

NBB reiterating they’re going young at 2B and RF

 

I believe NBB has a legit source, but I’m not buying this.  I can see them being ok with youth at 2B, but I don’t believe Hahn isn’t looking for upgrades.  He said there would be trades and I fully expect at least one to still happen.

8 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I believe NBB has a legit source, but I’m not buying this.  I can see them being ok with youth at 2B, but I don’t believe Hahn isn’t looking for upgrades.  He said there would be trades and I fully expect at least one to still happen.

Sure, for a catcher 

9 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I believe NBB has a legit source, but I’m not buying this.  I can see them being ok with youth at 2B, but I don’t believe Hahn isn’t looking for upgrades.  He said there would be trades and I fully expect at least one to still happen.

NBB may have a legit source (not 100% sold on that), but he definitely doesn’t know as much as he leads on. He acts like he’s in the room. 

2 minutes ago, fathom said:

Sure, for a catcher 

If you’re going to flip Hendriks for Jansen, at least take back Biggio or Espinal or Gurriel or even Merrifield in the deal. I don’t love any of those fits persay and obviously their values aren’t all the same, but they can all play IF and OF and are easy upgrades on what we have at 2B and can be part of the bridge to Colas in RF. 

1 hour ago, fathom said:

NBB reiterating they’re going young at 2B and RF

 

Plan A is a desperation Plan C/D for serious clubs trying to field a legitimate World Series contender.

Their lineup has gotten progressively worse over the past three seasons, with slight projected improvement to 14th or midlevel this season, with projections for five of the nine (Robert, Jimenez, Vaughn, Romy and Colas) above any previous fWAR high.

MLB Rank 2020-2022 Actual 2023 FGDC Projected

•  C:  2020 (1)   2021 (12)   2022 (14)   2023 (9) Avg (2020-2022) 9th (Same expectations)
• 1B: 2020 (2)   2021 (11)   2022 (6)   2023 (16) Avg (2020-2022) 6th (Drop 10 spots w/o Abreu) 
• 2B: 2020 (10)   2021 (23)   2022 (29)   2023 (29) Avg (2020-2022) 21st (Drop 8 spots w/o upgrade)
• 3B: 2020 (13)   2021 (9)   2022 (25)   2023 (16) Avg (2020-2022) 16th (Same expectations)
• SS: 2020 (3)   2021 (10)   2022 (9)   2023 (20) Avg (2020-2022) 7th (Drop 13 spots - Tim regressing)
• LF: 2020 (10)   2021 (26)   2022 (19)   2023 (7) Avg (2020-2022) 18th (One lineup signing - Up 11 spots)
• CF: 2020 (17)  2021 (7)   2022 (19)   2023 (7) Avg (2020-2022) 14th (Up 7 spots if healthy and productive)
• RF: 2020 (17)   2021 (26)   2022 (30)   2023 (20) Avg (2020-2022) 24th (Slight improvement, but not enough)
• DH: 2020 (28)   2021 (10) 2022 (10)   2023 (4) Avg (2020-2022) 16th (Projected 518 PA would be career best) 

Average: 2020 (11)   2021 (15)   2022 (18)   2023 (14)

24 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

NBB may have a legit source (not 100% sold on that), but he definitely doesn’t know as much as he leads on. He acts like he’s in the room. 

Him and Eloy vs. Wall are insanely annoying.

2 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said:

Him and Eloy vs. Wall are insanely annoying.

Until they’re wrong once, I will continue to believe they know more than anyone else on social media about the Sox

21 minutes ago, fathom said:

Until they’re wrong once, I will continue to believe they know more than anyone else on social media about the Sox

Both are still very annoying regardless.

On 12/20/2022 at 11:34 PM, fathom said:

Until they’re wrong once, I will continue to believe they know more than anyone else on social media about the Sox

I don't believe Eloy vs Wall's water carrying for Jerry's cheapness. I do think he's credible otherwise. That's what ownership WANTS the fanbase to think. 

15 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

I don't believe Eloy vs Wall's water carrying for Jerry's cheapness. I do think he's credible otherwise. That's what ownership WANTS the fanbase to think. 

Eloy vs the Wall just regurgitates whatever NBB says.  I find him far less credible.

On 12/20/2022 at 11:48 AM, FourEyesShottenhoffer said:

Bassitt was a way better prospect than Martin

Martin is ho-hum and will be exposed before long.

24 minutes ago, pcq said:

Martin is ho-hum and will be exposed before long.

I always thought that, but then he throws a fastball 96, and I start thinking, there may be more there than I think.