TitoMB345 Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 On 8/15/2023 at 11:25 AM, Tnetennba said: Almost like he knows he’s shitcanned and is managing for his next gig. God I would love to see some other team hire him. That would be hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 25 minutes ago, FrontierDayz said: Exactly TSox….Dallas Sox Fan here…Bochy is humble and commands respect wherever he goes…Rangers want to play hard for him and do…he keeps the roster fully engaged with fair and balanced gameday lineups…when Rangers recently played in SanFran the fans and xGiants loved the man…Old School yes but he motivates and leads from today’s dugout…difference between winners here and losers on the SouthSide… It's been a few years since I was in Dallas for a Rangers game but the crowd was great. I'm starting to follow them a bit more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrontierDayz Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 Yes…Rangers playing before more sellouts this year in new beautiful Globe Life Park as ownership has seriously committed to winning with huge signings of Seager/Scherzer and Bochy , etal, plus existing talented & newly motivated roster even as strong ROY candidate Josh Jung unfortunately out with fractured thumb fielding line drive in glove hand… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 (edited) Based on run differential (Sox -107, Detroit -102) and expected record (50-72), AJ Hinch could be considered seven wins better than Pedro Grifol through today. https://www.mlb.com/standings/2023-08-18 Detroit 55-67 White Sox 48-74 Doesn't exactly correlate, but could see the Sox with a similar 55-67 record if Hinch was in charge. Then again, could see the Sox with a 70-52 record with Andrew Freidman or Erik Neander in charge over the past several years. Edited August 19, 2023 by South Side Hit Men Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 17 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said: Based on run differential (Sox -107, Detroit -102) and expected record (50-72), AJ Hinch could be considered seven wins better than Pedro Grifol through today. https://www.mlb.com/standings/2023-08-18 Detroit 55-67 White Sox 48-74 Doesn't exactly correlate, but could see the Sox with a similar 55-67 record if Hinch was in charge. Then again, could see the Sox with a 70-52 record with Andrew Freeman or Erik Neander in charge over the past several years. Friedman… 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 The whole leadership thing is overblown to me. Robert was honest. He doesn’t hav that type of personality. It’s nice to have a couple of players who have that and can step up, but if you don’t have them, that is what a manager is for. If the guy in that position cannot lead, you have to find someone who can. Pedro obviously isn’t that guy. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 I don’t know how you retain this guy. He’s awful. And it’s not likely he’s JRs guy. It’s gotta be a one and done, right!? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 How in God's name do you sell any season tickets if Pedro Grifol is back? Who would want to watch this same diminishing product three years in a row...with almost no logical/reasonable/realistic hope for improvement? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 29 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: How in God's name do you sell any season tickets if Pedro Grifol is back? Who would want to watch this same diminishing product three years in a row...with almost no logical/reasonable/realistic hope for improvement? Good points here. If Pedro stays, the season over/under might be around 50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 Why was Thompson starting last night instead of Colas? Perhaps Colas isn't part of the team in the future? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 8 minutes ago, WBWSF said: Why was Thompson starting last night instead of Colas? Perhaps Colas isn't part of the team in the future? If the White Sox are that dumb they should be relegated to the American Association. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 1 hour ago, ChiSox59 said: I don’t know how you retain this guy. He’s awful. And it’s not likely he’s JRs guy. It’s gotta be a one and done, right!? I want Pedro to stay until both he and Hahn go out as a package. Hahn has zero qualifications to hire another manager, and I don't care if Jerry was 100% to blame with La Russa. Under no circumstances should Hahn get another rebuild, or another few years to see if yet another manager "makes things right". A qualified GM needs to hire a qualified Manager for the first time in decades on the South Side. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 Al Lopez Tony LaRussa 125+ years of Sox baseball. Two HoF managers. And most folks here believe Tony wasn't worthy of being in the hall. So maybe one. So why should we expect anyone better than what we've had throughout our history? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Texsox said: Al Lopez Tony LaRussa 125+ years of Sox baseball. Two HoF managers. And most folks here believe Tony wasn't worthy of being in the hall. So maybe one. So why should we expect anyone better than what we've had throughout our history? Tony was better than Bevington, I'll give you that. Tony's HOF is based on Jerry placing him in Oakland/Saint Louis, not his mediocre record here. The White Sox had 42 managers and 11 are in the Hall of Fame White Sox Managers > .500 Winning Percentage .592 462-293 Fielder Jones 1904-1908 (1906 World Series) .581 157-113 Clark Griffith 1901-1902 (1901 AL Pennant - No WS Played) .578 339-247 Pants Roland 1915-1918 (1917 World Series) .565 179-138 Marty Marion 1954-1956 .564 840-650 Al Lopez 1957-1965 & 1968-1969 (1959 AL Pennant) .551 258-210 Gene Lamont 1992-1995 .529 18-16 Miguel Cairo 2022 .529 406-362 Paul Richards 1951-1954 & 1976 .525 124-112 Bob Lemon 1977-1978 .524 678-617 Ozzie Guillen 2004-2011 (2005 World Series) .521 174-160 Eddie Collins 1924-1926 .519 392-364 Kid Gleason 1919-1923 (1919 AL Pennant) .515 500-471 Jerry Manuel 1998-2003 .515 250-235 Jeff Torborg 1989-1991 .513 678-644 Tony La Russa 1979-1985 & 2021-2022 .513 78-74 Billy Sullivan 1909 .511 206-197 Eddie Stanky 1966-1968 .509 222-214 Terry Bevington 1995-1997 Edited August 19, 2023 by South Side Hit Men Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 51 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said: Tony was better than Bevington, I'll give you that. Tony's HOF is based on Jerry placing him in Oakland/Saint Louis, not his mediocre record here. The White Sox had 42 managers and 11 are in the Hall of Fame White Sox Managers > .500 Winning Percentage .592 462-293 Fielder Jones 1904-1908 (1906 World Series) .581 157-113 Clark Griffith 1901-1902 (1901 AL Pennant - No WS Played) .578 339-247 Pants Roland 1915-1918 (1917 World Series) .565 179-138 Marty Marion 1954-1956 .564 840-650 Al Lopez 1957-1965 & 1968-1969 (1959 AL Pennant) .551 258-210 Gene Lamont 1992-1995 .529 18-16 Miguel Cairo 2022 .529 406-362 Paul Richards 1951-1954 & 1976 .525 124-112 Bob Lemon 1977-1978 .524 678-617 Ozzie Guillen 2004-2011 (2005 World Series) .521 174-160 Eddie Collins 1924-1926 .519 392-364 Kid Gleason 1919-1923 (1919 AL Pennant) .515 500-471 Jerry Manuel 1998-2003 .515 250-235 Jeff Torborg 1989-1991 .513 678-644 Tony La Russa 1979-1985 & 2021-2022 .513 78-74 Billy Sullivan 1909 .511 206-197 Eddie Stanky 1966-1968 .509 222-214 Terry Bevington 1995-1997 Only two were inducted as managers. The rest earned their way as players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 14 hours ago, ChiSox59 said: I don’t know how you retain this guy. He’s awful. And it’s not likely he’s JRs guy. It’s gotta be a one and done, right!? I would be concerned that JR will decide that he needs another year because the White Sox don't want to pay 2 managers. There is also the question as to who picked him( assume Hahn but this is the White Sox) and he maybe should also go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 13 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said: I want Pedro to stay until both he and Hahn go out as a package. Hahn has zero qualifications to hire another manager, and I don't care if Jerry was 100% to blame with La Russa. Indeed. If Hahn stays, Pedro stays. Padro has only effed things up for a year; Hahn's been doing it for a decade. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 Pedro will stay but he needs to be launched. Odds of success next year are pretty minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 On 8/18/2023 at 12:16 PM, TitoMB345 said: God I would love to see some other team hire him. That would be hilarious. He might be delusional enough to think another team might give him a shot, but… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 How can anyone watch the effort by these players and feel like Grifol can return? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 15 minutes ago, fathom said: How can anyone watch the effort by these players and feel like Grifol can return? If Hahn is back, then Pedro must be back. Hahn can't be given a fourth / fifth chance at this. Hahn Robin says no to Hahn's 2016 extension. Hahn hires Ricky Renteria the next day with zero job search. Hahn Ricky given an extension after 2019. Hahn fires Ricky 63 games later after the Sox' best Hahn record. Jerry Hahn firing Ricky led to the Tony La Russa debacle, arguable a far worse manager. FY also to Jerry. Hahn Hahn signed his guy, Pedro Grifol, after Joe Espada interviewed and then after said he had zero interest working for Jerry and Hahn. Hahn gawn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 1 hour ago, South Side Hit Men said: If Hahn is back, then Pedro must be back. Hahn can't be given a fourth / fifth chance at this. Hahn Robin says no to Hahn's 2016 extension. Hahn hires Ricky Renteria the next day with zero job search. Hahn Ricky given an extension after 2019. Hahn fires Ricky 63 games later after the Sox' best Hahn record. Jerry Hahn firing Ricky led to the Tony La Russa debacle, arguable a far worse manager. FY also to Jerry. Hahn Hahn signed his guy, Pedro Grifol, after Joe Espada interviewed and then after said he had zero interest working for Jerry and Hahn. Hahn gawn. You left out Hahn watching a 63 win season and then immediately extending Ventura afterwards. I believe they finished in 4th place the next 3 seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 35 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: You left out Hahn watching a 63 win season and then immediately extending Ventura afterwards. I believe they finished in 4th place the next 3 seasons. That was just to shield the front office from criticism (especially after Dunn and then Ozzie/Buehrle left) since nobody really wanted to blame Ventura for "taking the hit for JR" when he was a favorite or co-favorite of many Sox fans in the 80's and 90's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 7 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: That was just to shield the front office from criticism (especially after Dunn and then Ozzie/Buehrle left) since nobody really wanted to blame Ventura for "taking the hit for JR" when he was a favorite or co-favorite of many Sox fans in the 80's and 90's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Balta1701 said: Ventura never wanted to be the manager in the first place. Everyone knows he was just there to deflect PR hits on ownership and the front office...taking one for the team, being a loyal foot soldier, etc. After the 2012 collapse down the stretch...Ventura never recaptured the team again as a clubhouse leader. Edited August 22, 2023 by caulfield12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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