caulfield12 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Bellinger feels like at least $125-150 million coming off a 2023 MVP votes type of season and possesses the ability to play two positions (especially CF) so well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baseball_gal_aly Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 14 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Bellinger feels like at least $125-150 million coming off a 2023 MVP votes type of season and possesses the ability to play two positions (especially CF) so well. He's not guaranteed to be fixed. Bellinger was really bad for like 2-3 seasons before last year. There's a lot of volatility there and he might get a 9 figure deal but I wouldn't offer him that. Just way too much risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted November 7, 2023 Author Share Posted November 7, 2023 Nice to hear Getz says “I don’t like our team”. Those words would have never have been said by the previous regime. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, baseball_gal_aly said: He's not guaranteed to be fixed. Bellinger was really bad for like 2-3 seasons before last year. There's a lot of volatility there and he might get a 9 figure deal but I wouldn't offer him that. Just way too much risk. Let's take our mind off of being the White Sox for a moment and think about a team say...the Arizona Diamondbacks. 20th in OPS from their CF spot this year, 15th in OPS from their RF spot, 28th in OPS from their DH spot. One of their OFs, Lourdes Gurriel, is a free agent. They have playoff and WS revenue. Madison Bumgarner's contract is mercifully ending. They have Druw Jones in the minor leagues as a young OF, but he's down at A ball so he's several years away, no help next year. They don't want to take a step back. They have a middle of their order with Moreno and Walker in it, both of whom are righties. Is that a team that could, and perhaps should, be in the market for a $200+ million OF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Nice to hear Getz says “I don’t like our team”. Those words would have never have been said by the previous regime. Did he say that today - that is actually very refreshing to here. To be honest - outside of keeping Grifol, I can't really argue with much he has done since he took the job. I do recognize keeping Grifol is a huge component - but its also fair to wonder whether he had a choice in the matter anyway? I have never got the impression that JR wants to pay a mgr to not manage. Will he eventually - yes, but after one season, not unless it is an abjunct disaster (and yes '23 was a disaster - but isn't Bevington the only time he has done it in his era - thinking back to Bulls/Sox ownership)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Let's take our mind off of being the White Sox for a moment and think about a team say...the Arizona Diamondbacks. 20th in OPS from their CF spot this year, 15th in OPS from their RF spot, 28th in OPS from their DH spot. One of their OFs, Lourdes Gurriel, is a free agent. They have playoff and WS revenue. Madison Bumgarner's contract is mercifully ending. They have Druw Jones in the minor leagues as a young OF, but he's down at A ball so he's several years away, no help next year. They don't want to take a step back. They have a middle of their order with Moreno and Walker in it, both of whom are righties. Is that a team that could, and perhaps should, be in the market for a $200+ million OF? Send them Eloy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 1 minute ago, Chisoxfn said: Send them Eloy I said an outfielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 8 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said: Did he say that today - that is actually very refreshing to here. To be honest - outside of keeping Grifol, I can't really argue with much he has done since he took the job. I do recognize keeping Grifol is a huge component - but its also fair to wonder whether he had a choice in the matter anyway? I have never got the impression that JR wants to pay a mgr to not manage. Will he eventually - yes, but after one season, not unless it is an abjunct disaster (and yes '23 was a disaster - but isn't Bevington the only time he has done it in his era - thinking back to Bulls/Sox ownership)? He says it in this clip. It was good to hear because all of us don't like this team either CG. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 12 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said: He says it in this clip. It was good to hear because all of us don't like this team either CG. Can’t wait to see a team that is last in homers next year. Sounds like they’re going to focus way too much on base running and defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Chris Getz in November: “I don’t like this team” Chris Getz in December, after trading for Salvador Perez and signing Whit Merrifield: 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 1 minute ago, fathom said: Can’t wait to see a team that is last in homers next year. Sounds like they’re going to focus way too much on base running and defense. I mean if he can actually fix one of the chronic problems this team has had I’ll be intrigued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 1 minute ago, bmags said: I mean if he can actually fix one of the chronic problems this team has had I’ll be intrigued. I don’t consider it necessarily fixing if it’s one-year stop gaps on a team that has no chance of contending. I’d much rather see what Popeye can do at 2nd than Lopez. If this team has DeJong, Lopez and Hedges all starting….god help us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 1 minute ago, fathom said: I don’t consider it necessarily fixing if it’s one-year stop gaps on a team that has no chance of contending. I’d much rather see what Popeye can do at 2nd than Lopez. If this team has DeJong, Lopez and Hedges all starting….god help us. I mean none of it matters. There is no reason you can’t see what Popeye can do. Lopez will be lucky to get a major league deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 49 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said: Did he say that today - that is actually very refreshing to here. To be honest - outside of keeping Grifol, I can't really argue with much he has done since he took the job. I do recognize keeping Grifol is a huge component - but its also fair to wonder whether he had a choice in the matter anyway? I have never got the impression that JR wants to pay a mgr to not manage. Will he eventually - yes, but after one season, not unless it is an abjunct disaster (and yes '23 was a disaster - but isn't Bevington the only time he has done it in his era - thinking back to Bulls/Sox ownership)? Bevington lasted two years as manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baseball_gal_aly Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: Let's take our mind off of being the White Sox for a moment and think about a team say...the Arizona Diamondbacks. 20th in OPS from their CF spot this year, 15th in OPS from their RF spot, 28th in OPS from their DH spot. One of their OFs, Lourdes Gurriel, is a free agent. They have playoff and WS revenue. Madison Bumgarner's contract is mercifully ending. They have Druw Jones in the minor leagues as a young OF, but he's down at A ball so he's several years away, no help next year. They don't want to take a step back. They have a middle of their order with Moreno and Walker in it, both of whom are righties. Is that a team that could, and perhaps should, be in the market for a $200+ million OF? You think Bellinger will get $200M? I'd be shocked. I have him around $125. It's not something I'd be comfortable with either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 1 minute ago, baseball_gal_aly said: You think Bellinger will get $200M? I'd be shocked. I have him around $125. It's not something I'd be comfortable with either. He has the biggest market teams interested in him. He will get 8/200. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 57 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said: He says it in this clip. It was good to hear because all of us don't like this team either CG. Love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 I keep trying to think of how I would build the roster but whichever way I go kinda depends on what they think of Sosa and Colas. Like if they want to start either/both on the roster and just let them play or not. My prediction is they may not be high on either and may just sign a stop gap at both 2B (Adam Frazier) and SS (DeJong) (until Montgomery is MLB ready at SS). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baseball_gal_aly Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 6 minutes ago, fathom said: He has the biggest market teams interested in him. He will get 8/200. I don't understand after one bounceback year after being absolute garbage for 3 years straight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 1 minute ago, Bob Sacamano said: I keep trying to think of how I would build the roster but whichever way I go kinda depends on what they think of Sosa and Colas. Like if they want to start either/both on the roster and just let them play or not. My prediction is they may not be high on either and may just sign a stop gap at both 2B (Adam Frazier) and SS (DeJong) (until Montgomery is MLB ready at SS). Nothing Getz has said makes me think Colas has a future with the team 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 11 minutes ago, fathom said: I don’t consider it necessarily fixing if it’s one-year stop gaps on a team that has no chance of contending. I’d much rather see what Popeye can do at 2nd than Lopez. If this team has DeJong, Lopez and Hedges all starting….god help us. 2024 is the perfect opportunity to provide opportunities, and to grab a few Rule 5 picks and perhaps other prospects via trades, and hope a couple pan out without having to worry about contending. MLB Games Played / Player / 2024 Age Opening Day 2024 86 Romy Gonzalez 27 75 Oscar Colas 25 65 Gregory Santos 24 63 Lenyn Sosa 24 45 Luis Patino 24 34 Carlos Perez 27 Possibly Ready in 2024 36 Korey Lee 25 1 Jose Rodriguez 23 0 Nick Nastrini 24 0 Jake Eder 25 0 Yoelqui Cespedes 26 Goodbye: 296 Gavin Sheets 28 (-1.7 career bWAR) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 24 minutes ago, fathom said: Nothing Getz has said makes me think Colas has a future with the team I tend to agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 27 minutes ago, baseball_gal_aly said: I don't understand after one bounceback year after being absolute garbage for 3 years straight. This is the market for players that have performed at his level. The fact that he's a high-risk guy is why he's not getting a $300 million contract. This is another version of "why building your team through free agency, rather than through the draft, is very risky". Your hope with him is he gives you a couple seasons that are strong, and that puts you over the top. You cannot look at a guy like this and think "This is a long term piece I can build around", you have to think "This puts me over the top right now and that's why I will spend the money". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 Yeah, they hate him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Chisoxfn said: Did he say that today - that is actually very refreshing to here. To be honest - outside of keeping Grifol, I can't really argue with much he has done since he took the job. I do recognize keeping Grifol is a huge component - but its also fair to wonder whether he had a choice in the matter anyway? I have never got the impression that JR wants to pay a mgr to not manage. Will he eventually - yes, but after one season, not unless it is an abjunct disaster (and yes '23 was a disaster - but isn't Bevington the only time he has done it in his era - thinking back to Bulls/Sox ownership)? I feel like at this point Grifol is just a sacrificial lamb. It is obvious we aren't competing this year, so why fire a guy and have to pay him to bring someone else in so this team can still lose 100 games because of the roster construction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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