Bleacher Report ranks Sox MiLB system 3rd

[southsider2k5]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10115581-mlb-farm-system-rankings-for-the-2024-season?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2QoszBXViM4JXbrC7FruwK7vC5iv0wLPibE-MLuRHAYt7vcervXpnKmwg_aem_AcjXJwBOiyuMOQdIIgsaM8cQasxJWuGKoHAmIMYn0FWUjEgLsPCIP3mEbrmPauCf2AFVReDyRt1H6EgDZRdY964-

 

Top 10 Prospects

1. SS Colson Montgomery (Tier 1)
2. LHP Noah Schultz (Tier 1)
3. RHP Drew Thorpe (Tier 1)
4. C Edgar Quero (Tier 1)
5. RHP Jairo Iriarte (Tier 1)
6. 3B Bryan Ramos (Tier 2)
7. OF Samuel Zavala (Tier 2)
8. RHP Nick Nastrini (Tier 2)
9. SS Jacob Gonzalez (Tier 3)
10. LHP Jake Eder (Tier 3)

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Prospect Snapshot: RHP Drew Thorpe, RHP Jairo Iriarte, OF Samuel Zavala

These are the three prospects the White Sox acquired in the Dylan Cease trade, and all three slot immediately into the organizational Top 10 list, helping to vault them up these rankings heading into the 2024 season. Thorpe and Iriarte were both sent to Double-A to open the year, but they could debut at some point in the second half, while Zavala is still only 19 years old and already playing at High-A.

[Lip Man 1]

This would be a great development is if comes to pass. 

[The Mighty Mite]

Maybe there is some hope.

[PaleAleSox]

That's why I haven't COMPLETELY understood the doom and gloom unless you are entirely ignoring the whole picture. There is some hope to be gleamed from it all. Yes the major league team is complete ass, but literally no one on the team matters in a year or two minus like, 4 or 5 dudes. 

[JUSTgottaBELIEVE]

3rd seems high. Probably around 10-15 right now with the potential for top 3 as soon as this August following another round of TDL deals and amateur draft.

[JUSTgottaBELIEVE]

2 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:

That's why I haven't COMPLETELY understood the doom and gloom unless you are entirely ignoring the whole picture. There is some hope to be gleamed from it all. Yes the major league team is complete ass, but literally no one on the team matters in a year or two minus like, 4 or 5 dudes. 

They’re actually in a decent position all things considered. It’s going to take a few years though. Should have a top 5 farm system for the next several years and have a clean slate from a payroll perspective at the MLB level outside of Beni’s contract. As always, it’ll come down to drafting and development unless Jerry is suddenly willing to break the bank in free agency.

[Quin]

1 minute ago, PaleAleSox said:

That's why I haven't COMPLETELY understood the doom and gloom unless you are entirely ignoring the whole picture. There is some hope to be gleamed from it all. Yes the major league team is complete ass, but literally no one on the team matters in a year or two minus like, 4 or 5 dudes. 

Cause many of us remember when the team was ranked first — built off of external trades and a few high draft picks — but they couldn't develop any supplemental pieces to support that talent and that talent never really put it all together, with players unable to stay healthy or keeping their same strengths and weaknesses that they had in the minor leagues.

And now the guy in charge of developing the minor league system back then is in charge of the whole operation.

[JUSTgottaBELIEVE]

Just now, Quin said:

Cause many of us remember when the team was ranked first — built off of external trades and a few high draft picks — but they couldn't develop any supplemental pieces to support that talent and that talent never really put it all together, with players unable to stay healthy or keeping their same strengths and weaknesses that they had in the minor leagues.

And now the guy in charge of developing the minor league system back then is in charge of the whole operation.

And despite all that they were still a pennant contender for two seasons (a rare occurrence for this organization). Unfortunately, the peak was much shorter than expected but they had a legitimately strong roster for two seasons.

[chitownsportsfan]

Even if you take this one guy's report at face value, we're still probably 30/30 in MLB talent. And as we've seen even having several top 50 type prospects and a top farm system is no guarantee of any success in Chicago at the MLB level.

So while our farm is certainly improved it's just one of many necessary but not sufficient things that needs to happen before we field the next good Sox team.

[southsider2k5]

2 minutes ago, Quin said:

Cause many of us remember when the team was ranked first — built off of external trades and a few high draft picks — but they couldn't develop any supplemental pieces to support that talent and that talent never really put it all together, with players unable to stay healthy or keeping their same strengths and weaknesses that they had in the minor leagues.

And now the guy in charge of developing the minor league system back then is in charge of the whole operation.

Yeah, and it wasn't even the first tier guys that were the problem (well at least at first) it was the fact that NOTHING came in behind the Eloy/Moncada/Gio, etc group.  If this is going to happen, it needs to be top heavy AND deep.  You have to be bringing high ceiling volume so that just the law of averages helps you out.  The last rebuild was all quality, and none of quantity, and then the did nothing anywhere else to support that.  Once the top graduated, nothing was left.  That can't happen again.  The hopeful signs of the last few drafts has to continue, and then spread to their trades and international signings.

[SoCalChiSox]

No. 3 is too high, but prolly Top 10 after SD trade.

[Bob Sacamano]

1 minute ago, chitownsportsfan said:

Even if you take this one guy's report at face value, we're still probably 30/30 in MLB talent. And as we've seen even having several top 50 type prospects and a top farm system is no guarantee of any success in Chicago at the MLB level.

So while our farm is certainly improved it's just one of many necessary but not sufficient things that needs to happen before we field the next good Sox team.

Need to actually spend on a premium player or two next time. 

[Bob Sacamano]

6 minutes ago, Quin said:

Cause many of us remember when the team was ranked first — built off of external trades and a few high draft picks — but they couldn't develop any supplemental pieces to support that talent and that talent never really put it all together, with players unable to stay healthy or keeping their same strengths and weaknesses that they had in the minor leagues.

And now the guy in charge of developing the minor league system back then is in charge of the whole operation.

Not sure why this gets laughed at…it’s accurate 

[southsider2k5]

1 minute ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Not sure why this gets laughed at…it’s accurate 

Go easy on the guy, his balls are at stake here.

[chitownsportsfan]

2 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Need to actually spend on a premium player or two next time. 

Absolutely. That and as @southsider2k5 says we need depth in the system. Sox need to be hitting on some international signings and late round draft picks once and awhile, don't need to be finding stars but just a decent regular once a year that eventually plays in Chicago, from all sources, would be a solid foundation.

[T R U]

14 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:

That's why I haven't COMPLETELY understood the doom and gloom unless you are entirely ignoring the whole picture. There is some hope to be gleamed from it all. Yes the major league team is complete ass, but literally no one on the team matters in a year or two minus like, 4 or 5 dudes. 

Whats going on with the MLB team is reality. Its nice that they think we have a good system, we had a good system a few years ago too and if that has proven anything its that there is a very real chance that none of these guys become anything.

That's why there is so much doom and gloom, we have lived this scenario once already recently so its not like we can just bank that in a few years all these guys will come up and we will be winning 90+ games.

Again though, I will say the reshape of the farm system so far has been a major bright spot in an otherwise dark time for this franchise.

[southsider2k5]

2 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

Absolutely. That and as @southsider2k5 says we need depth in the system. Sox need to be hitting on some international signings and late round draft picks once and awhile, don't need to be finding stars but just a decent regular once a year that eventually plays in Chicago, from all sources, would be a solid foundation.

There are even teams that do without going nuts in free agency, but none of them do it without a power farm system.  The Sox inability to product even replacement level players after this last rebuild is a glaring failure that cannot be repeated if we want to be looking back on this era in 2030 as something that set the table for something bigger.

[ScootsMcGoots]

15 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

And despite all that they were still a pennant contender for two seasons (a rare occurrence for this organization). Unfortunately, the peak was much shorter than expected but they had a legitimately strong roster for two seasons.

And didn't win any postseason series. It was a complete debacle. The only thing good to come out of that rebuild was TA's cornfield walk off, Gio's no-hitter, and Leury Legend's bomb in the post season game. That's it.

[Quin]

5 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Yeah, and it wasn't even the first tier guys that were the problem (well at least at first) it was the fact that NOTHING came in behind the Eloy/Moncada/Gio, etc group.  If this is going to happen, it needs to be top heavy AND deep.  You have to be bringing high ceiling volume so that just the law of averages helps you out.  The last rebuild was all quality, and none of quantity, and then the did nothing anywhere else to support that.  Once the top graduated, nothing was left.  That can't happen again.  The hopeful signs of the last few drafts has to continue, and then spread to their trades and international signings.

Dropping the ball on a core of Gio-Cease-Rodon-Lopez-Kopech-Dunning-Hendriks and TA-Abreu-Moncada-Eloy-Robert-Vaughn-Madrigal-Burger-Grandal is hilarious

In one way or another, every one of those players has seen success — caveating that for Vaughn and Madrigal you have to count decent rookie debuts, Kopech with flashes — but because the team is allergic to developing players and singing free agents, a core that other orgs would have won with just withered

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

39 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:

That's why I haven't COMPLETELY understood the doom and gloom unless you are entirely ignoring the whole picture. There is some hope to be gleamed from it all. Yes the major league team is complete ass, but literally no one on the team matters in a year or two minus like, 4 or 5 dudes. 

Because the White Sox have two good major league players. 

The majority of those prospects will not be good major leaguers. 

Oh and because they were supposed to be in their peak contention window from their last rebuild, this year, but instead they're one of the worst teams of all time.

I don't know how anyone on earth doesn't completely understand the doom and gloom.

[Pale Sox]

36 minutes ago, Quin said:

Cause many of us remember when the team was ranked first — built off of external trades and a few high draft picks — but they couldn't develop any supplemental pieces to support that talent and that talent never really put it all together, with players unable to stay healthy or keeping their same strengths and weaknesses that they had in the minor leagues.

And now the guy in charge of developing the minor league system back then is in charge of the whole operation.

One fairly big difference worth noting is Hostetler isn’t the scouting director anymore. His drafts were disastrous. Mike Shirley has done pretty well so far. 

[Bob Sacamano]

10 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Because the White Sox have two good major league players. 

The majority of those prospects will not be good major leaguers. 

Oh and because they were supposed to be in their peak contention window from their last rebuild, this year, but instead they're one of the worst teams of all time.

I don't know how anyone on earth doesn't completely understand the doom and gloom.

All. Of. This.

[Quin]

2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

This guy snuck in

"He miscalculated on how much offense he needed."

Like Getz forgot to sign a second lefty in the pen or something. Getz forgot that scoring runs was an essential component of baseball; B-

I hope if my kid is a dumass that you're his teacher at bare minimum. Bless your heart.

Chris Getz doesn't understand you can't have multiple sub-.200 hitters in the lineup.

[Quin]

Just now, Quin said:

I've repeatedly given him credit for all of those players, except Rodon, who was on the MLB roster well before Getz got here.

Here's the thing: Gio was the former top pitching prospect, Cease was a top pitching, and Robert was a $25M international signing.

They all have extreme talent that would have been an indictment if he failed to develop it. But for some reason you give Getz credit for them, but exonerate him from Clarkin, Rutherford, Moncada, Eloy, Madrigal, etc.

If he gets those gold stars on his resume, he gets the blights.

[fathom]

3 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

Career WAR below replacement level. .204 hitter, .269 OBP, and he's an asset. Tells you all you need to know. Whatever you are on, I want  some.

I’ve seen why there’s such disconnect between many of our opinions and his.  His standards for a quality player are way, way, way too low.