33 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

Taylor has got to do better than this. These implosions happen way too often.

Eisert has no business pitching in the late innings.
Newcomb was terrible too, but he's usually good.

Anyway, team's not a finished product - no surprise.

Eisert sucks I’ll give you that, but Taylor is fucking incredible and one bad inning doesn’t change that. Nothing about tonight screams unfinished product.

3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

What a ridiculously stupid hard flex. Going .500 when you played five of the best teams in baseball is fucking phenomenal. I get you’re scarred from being a Sox fan post 2005, but let’s try to have an ounce of objectivity here.

It was phenominal, I said it at the time actually. And and the same time I said they havent played great baseball recently, which I stand by. Its actually possible to enjoy the season (which I have been immensely) and still be able to recognize this isnt a great team and they will be fortunate to win the division, but still can. Its not rocket science.

2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Eisert sucks I’ll give you that, but Taylor is fucking incredible and one bad inning doesn’t change that. Nothing about tonight screams unfinished product.

6 runs allowed in last three appearances against CLE...not good. That's just one week.

Fastball too straight and gets in trouble when not getting curve over the plate and falling behind in counts.

2 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

6 runs allowed in last three appearances against CLE...not good. That's just one week.

Fastball too straight and gets in trouble when not getting curve over the plate and falling behind in counts.

They’ve also limited his arsenal

Edited 7 hours ago7 hr by fathom

Today's game sucked

I know Dominguez didn't pitch today or yesterday, but damn that is an epic fail to sign a guy to be your closer and he isn't used at any point in a pretty important game. Just damn.

13 minutes ago, wegner said:

I know Dominguez didn't pitch today or yesterday, but damn that is an epic fail to sign a guy to be your closer and he isn't used at any point in a pretty important game. Just damn.

As inconsistent as he is, using Eisert over him was completely mind boggling.

6 minutes ago, ChiSoxFanMike said:

As inconsistent as he is, using Eisert over him was completely mind boggling.

And the numbers have shown that outside of the 9th inning, Seranthony has been good, right?

Taylor starting to be a issue also

1 hour ago, fathom said:

Yep, this is the most unpredictable Sox team I think of my lifetime. They could go on to win the AL Central or win 33 pct of their remaining games, and I don’t think either would be truly shocking. I trust the offense, but the pitching seems to be a weak spot going forward.

Not sure there is any sample size given they haven't had a losing streak of 4 games that says they'll only win 33% of their remaining games. After the braves, they have been the most consistent team in baseball

Flush it - get em back tomorrow.

14 minutes ago, wegner said:

And the numbers have shown that outside of the 9th inning, Seranthony has been good, right?

If you want to make decisions based on a statistical anomaly.

3 minutes ago, Stinky Stanky said:

If you want to make decisions based on a statistical anomaly.

I base 43% of all my decisions on statistical anomalies.

8 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

6 runs allowed in last three appearances against CLE...not good. That's just one week.

Fastball too straight and gets in trouble when not getting curve over the plate and falling behind in counts.

23 minutes ago, ChiSoxFanMike said:

As inconsistent as he is, using Eisert over him was completely mind boggling.

There was a lefty and switch hitter coming up but Fry being PH was pretty darned obvious.

43 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Eisert sucks I’ll give you that, but Taylor is fucking incredible and one bad inning doesn’t change that. Nothing about tonight screams unfinished product.

Taylor is usually great; but he's also had about the same number of outings where he's given up runs as Dominguez has. (he got hit in several June outings).
Tonight our major division rival beat beat our pitching. They beat our best starter, and, 2 of our best relievers. Thus, not a finished product.

One of the most disappointing games of the year where their youth hurt big time. SO MANY MISTAKES, EMPTY CHANCES TO CASH IN, AND HORRIBLE PITCHING THROUGHOUT.

In a lot of ways they had no business winning that game and in other ways they fucking gave it away.

Bad pitch selection for Taylor who also couldn’t get any secondary pitches over… Davis was bitten by the same bug… runners on base were either pressing too hard or playing it too soft… failures to execute with RISP and no outs…

Just an awful game that we also should have easily won.

f***.

4 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

They beat our best starter

Hopefully Burke has something to say about that on Saturday and good Kay shows out tomorrow. Winning those two in a row would be massive.

Would love to walk into the final game knowing the worst case is we’re up one and we split.

From Merkin's recap:

"Cleveland chipped away to cut the margin to 5-4 through seven, before Taylor took the mound.

There was a four-pitch walk issued to Steven Kwan with one out, but Taylor got through the eighth with two strikeouts and no runs allowed. Bryan Hudson was unavailable after pitching Wednesday in Baltimore and getting hot in the bullpen two other times, and one-time closer Seranthony Domínguez is being used in lower-leverage situations to get him back on track, although he could have followed Taylor if needed.

So, Taylor came back for the ninth and issued a four-pitch, leadoff walk to Rhys Hoskins. An eight-pitch battle with Kahlil Watson resulted in a fly out to center, before Rocchio connected on a 99.3 mph four-seamer up a bit and somewhat outside.

“Yeah, I wasn’t landing the curveball earlier,” Taylor said. “I was going to stick to my strength. I have a good fastball, especially against lefties. I threw it in a pretty good location, but he was looking for it and got a good swing.”

From Sun-Times Jeff Agrest's recap:

"Davis’ home-road splits are stark. In seven starts at Rate Field, he has an 0.88 ERA with a 0.951 WHIP. In 10 starts on the road, his ERA is 4.72, and his WHIP is 1.48. He allowed two earned runs, six hits and five walks to the Guardians.

That said, Davis has allowed two runs or fewer in all but four of his 17 starts — all four were on the road."

https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2026/07/02/davis-martin-chicago-white-sox-cleveland-guardians-will-venable-grant-taylor

8 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

I have a good fastball, especially against lefties. I threw it in a pretty good location

Everyone in the universe with half a baseball point of IQ knew a first pitch fastball was coming and that he was swinging.

If he bounced a curve he would have gotten strike one.

It was awful pitch selection.

3 hours ago, hi8is said:

One of the most disappointing games of the year where their youth hurt big time. SO MANY MISTAKES, EMPTY CHANCES TO CASH IN, AND HORRIBLE PITCHING THROUGHOUT.

In a lot of ways they had no business winning that game and in other ways they fucking gave it away.

Bad pitch selection for Taylor who also couldn’t get any secondary pitches over… Davis was bitten by the same bug… runners on base were either pressing too hard or playing it too soft… failures to execute with RISP and no outs…

Just an awful game that we also should have easily won.

f***.

This is one of those games that used to (tank years don't count; those are a different animal) send us spiraling. Remember how we could always point to one game that wrecked our team and sent us to series loss after loss? I'm not worried about that with this team. They are young and dumb so to speak and won't let any one game send us spiraling. Tough loss though.

5 hours ago, Jake said:

There's no world in which this Sox team is going to be much better than .500 and if they pull that off it's amazing. Don't be shocked if you find many stretches of play in which they are slightly under or over .500. And don't be surprised if they continue to play games that look something like a coin flip against this Guardians team that is about .500 or so at a true talent level.

I'm ecstatic Sox have won five of last six vs KC I think. Sox have put themselves in position to do what I've been clamoring for them to do for years: That is dominate a weak Central. Sox have so many good young hitters I like the team. I am now a huge Getz fan even though our pitching isn't as good as our hitting. ... It feels weird to be able to post again. After so many months of not being able to log on, I feel I will definitely be way more low key than when I knew a lot about our players/pitchers. I'm not qualified yet to comment much on personnel as I've only watched mlb highlights and not bought the package for 3 seasons now.

3 hours ago, hi8is said:

Everyone in the universe with half a baseball point of IQ knew a first pitch fastball was coming and that he was swinging.

If he bounced a curve he would have gotten strike one.

It was awful pitch selection.

Yes, Rocchio anticipated a fastball but still, I was surprised how a little dude pulled a high/ outside 99 mph fastball half way up the foul poll.

47 minutes ago, greg775 said:

This is one of those games that used to (tank years don't count; those are a different animal) send us spiraling. Remember how we could always point to one game that wrecked our team and sent us to series loss after loss? I'm not worried about that with this team. They are young and dumb so to speak and won't let any one game send us spiraling. Tough loss though.

Yep, I have faith that they won’t allow this to f*** them. Totally still have realistic hopes in splitting or winning this series.

12 minutes ago, tray said:

Yes, Rocchio anticipated a fastball but still, I was surprised how a little dude pulled a high/ outside 99 mph fastball half way up the foul poll.

Yea, it’s impressive but these are big league hitters…. Right? If they know what’s coming it’s like batting practice.

They should have gone with a curve and known he was swinging first pitch hunting. Would have changed the entire at bat where he would be completely off balance.

Otherwise, you’re down 1-0 and are right back where you started.

Oh fucking well - get em tomorrow. Your perspective and Grant’s perspective are the right mindset to have to help go out and get after it for the rest of the series.