nitetrain8601 Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 QUOTE(Heads22 @ Nov 23, 2005 -> 04:04 PM) When did we acquire Pierre, exactly? Tommorow. Oops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 (edited) I'm sold, IF BA > Pierre. But I could change my mind later. Edited November 23, 2005 by Greg The Bull Luzinski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 You know, I think Borchard deserves a chance to try and get a spot on the 25-man in '06. He showed some results in the latter part of '05 that he hadn't shown before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Nov 23, 2005 -> 02:14 PM) I'm sold, BA > Pierre. But I could change my mind later. BA ~ Rowand offensively and ~ Rowand defensively. BA > Pierre defensively. Thome > Everett Offensively. Those relations are good enough for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 Of course this happens shortly after Haigwood registers on Soxtalk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 QUOTE(knightni @ Nov 23, 2005 -> 04:15 PM) You know, I think Borchard deserves a chance to try and get a spot on the 25-man in '06. He showed some results in the latter part of '05 that he hadn't shown before. you and i are gonna get laughed at on this board but i personally dont disagree with you. i think borchard could still add some power to some team..just not us. i think he could be a jeromy burntiz type player still Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 QUOTE(knightni @ Nov 23, 2005 -> 02:15 PM) You know, I think Borchard deserves a chance to try and get a spot on the 25-man in '06. He showed some results in the latter part of '05 that he hadn't shown before. 1 thing that this trade does do is it potentially opens up a spot for Borchard...yesterday, it looked like Brian Anderson was our best option as a backup outfielder...today we need BA Starting. That leaves Timo right now as the only other current option in the outfield...and I would say that Borchard is cheaper and potentially better with the bat. Maybe Borchard could be the PTBNL instead of Gio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 Guys I just got home from work and I heard on the radio a few blocks from my house that we got Thome. Instantly I thought HELL YEAH! Then I said wait a minute...for who??...Next thing they said was Rowand + prospects. f***!!!!! I just said it the other day I did not want him f***ing gone UGH! ...I don't know, Thome better not get hurt next year because if we traded Roward plus Gio and Haig for a player thats gonna be on the shelf all f***ing year long I am gonna be pissed. I don't like this deal yet...I just don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DABearSoX Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Nov 23, 2005 -> 08:46 PM) We hang on to Konerko next season and we're going to win at least 100 games. Pods Pierre Thome/PK Konerko/JT Dye Pierzynski Gooch Crede Uribe MB JC JG FG BM If this is how kenny is planning on doing it, I am all for this trade. The staff we already know is sick......if that is going to be our lineup for next year, Kenny has his eyes set on a repeat. We landed a huge lefty bat for the cost of Rowand and Everett.....With the loss of Big Frank's contract kenny has sat himself in the position to resign PK. I really have no preference on rather using anderson or trading for pierre, I would like someone that can throw in CF though. I will truly miss both Big Frank and Arow, but I try to look at it as the team sense. Hypothetically if the Sox traded the entire team for the Cubs entire team we would all still root for the guys in black. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 23, 2005 -> 05:15 PM) BA ~ Rowand offensively and ~ Rowand defensively. BA > Pierre defensively. Thome > Everett Offensively. You should be a math teacher. Here's one: White Sox - Jerry Manual = White Sox + Ozzie = Championship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 23, 2005 -> 04:16 PM) Maybe Borchard could be the PTBNL instead of Gio. haha philly did see him hit that 504 footer off of myers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 I also think Borch should atleast get another look.... his defense is fairly solid and if he can hit 250 and get 20 + hrs...it wouldn't be terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 23, 2005 -> 04:11 PM) Aaron's bat was a bit of a question mark too...let's not forget he is coming off a very poor year with the bat. And anywho...think of it this way...if Brian Anderson can hit .250 with 15 home runs, he's only a very small step down from Aaron Rowand. Some would also even say that Anderson is equal to or better than ARow in CF (we'll see). However, if Jim Thome can hit 40+ home runs like he has almost every year of his career except last year...how much of an upgrade is he over Carl Everett? I think BA could easily put up 20-25 HRs if he was the full-time CFer. Ya know something else that was always in the back of my mind about ARow...and I'm not trying to point fingers or demean him in any way....but I always wondered if his 24 dingers from the year before was due to roids for his shoulder injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 If playing BA in CF is the difference between PK coming back and not coming back, I am OK with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 I just got home and I really don't want to go through this whole thread to see everything. Is there any prospects involved and how much cash are we getting? I'm so happy to have Thome and I love this deal but I'm going to miss Aaron there is no doubt. Thanks for everything Arow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 QUOTE(EvilJester99 @ Nov 23, 2005 -> 04:17 PM) I also think Borch should atleast get another look.... his defense is fairly solid and if he can hit 250 and get 20 + hrs...it wouldn't be terrible. the borchard ship here sailed long ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 If we resign Paulie I'll look at this trade like: Rowand for Thome Haigwood and Gio for Konerko because we would use the money we earned by trading Gio and Haig to sign Paulie. Or any other first baseman we sign if not Paulie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 QUOTE(SnB @ Nov 23, 2005 -> 05:19 PM) the borchard ship here sailed long ago. If it had sailed, he wouldn't still be on the 40-man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Nov 23, 2005 -> 04:19 PM) I just got home and I really don't want to go through this whole thread to see everything. Is there any prospects involved and how much cash are we getting? I'm so happy to have Thome and I love this deal but I'm going to miss Aaron there is no doubt. Thanks for everything Arow. Rowand, Gonzalez, Haigwood for Thome and Philly pays half of his salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 If the prospects are Haig and Gio... :puke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 QUOTE(SnB @ Nov 23, 2005 -> 02:19 PM) the borchard ship here sailed long ago. You can't tell me he'd do a worse job than the other "sunday lineup" guys. I mean, come on, could he really cost us more games than Timo? At least Ozzie wouldn't be putting him at 1b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 (edited) Nevermind, I somehow missed the thread right under this. Edited November 23, 2005 by Rowand44 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Nov 23, 2005 -> 02:20 PM) Rowand, Gonzalez, Haigwood for Thome and Philly pays half of his salary. Haigwood and Gio are still rumors...there's also a possibility that it's a PTBNL instead of Gio (Gio could also be on a PTBNL List). If it were me, that's how I'd have done it...I'd want to see Thome healthy in Spring Training before I allowed Gio to leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 I like Anderson as a prospect. The only question I have if he becomes the starter in CF is team strikeouts. Thome fans a ton, and BA is going to ring up a pretty big total himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 A guy on Mac Jurko and Harry had an idea of going to Crawford or Gathwright instead of Pierre.....which either would cost a lot more than Pierre though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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