WCSox Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 After watching our bullpen implode (again) last night, I don't see how people can still talk about trading for Crawford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 i also dont know why, after scoring 19 runs over a 2 game spread we still wonder if anderson isnt good enough lamelamelamelame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C_LEE45 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 corey patterson anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(Sox1422 @ Jun 1, 2006 -> 01:46 PM) From what I hear the Rays want young pitchers. Translation: Brandon McCarthy, Bobby Jenks, or both. Edited June 2, 2006 by Dam8610 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 QUOTE(WCSox @ Jun 2, 2006 -> 06:19 PM) After watching our bullpen implode (again) last night, I don't see how people can still talk about trading for Crawford. I'd be all ears for any bullpen guys out there who could help. But the asking price will be steep for even a mediocre late inning guy, esp. with all the injuries around baseball. If the sox 'pen can hold their own until the playoffs, the sox add Garland to the mix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 Didn't Carl Crawford recently hurt his knee? Doing a Martin Gramatica jump and owie.... Anyone heard if its serious or no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(beck72 @ Jun 2, 2006 -> 07:47 PM) I'd be all ears for any bullpen guys out there who could help. But the asking price will be steep for even a mediocre late inning guy, esp. with all the injuries around baseball. If the sox 'pen can hold their own until the playoffs, the sox add Garland to the mix. That should be in green. I agree the bullpen needs to be tweaked, but I am now coming around on CF. Anderson needs to start hitting. As much as I have criticized Ozzie in the past, you can't blame him for PH Mackowiak, but Mack cannot play CF for any length of time. I was at a Patio Party last night and sat in the OF. Make no mistake about it, Matthews double is more than likely caught by Anderson. I would say Anderson's chances of making that play are at least 95%, its a play Rowand, with as deep as he plays and his total disregard for the wall would make at least 99% of the time. So that's at least 4 times this past week that having Mack in CF has cost the White Sox runs. That's not going to work, and neither is Anderson hitting .160. The rest of the guys except Uribe and occassionally Pods have been hitting out of their minds. It can't continue. Production is needed in CF as well as defense. If Anderson can't hit, Mackowiak isn't the solution. Edited June 3, 2006 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 QUOTE(EvilJester99 @ Jun 3, 2006 -> 07:53 AM) Didn't Carl Crawford recently hurt his knee? Doing a Martin Gramatica jump and owie.... Anyone heard if its serious or no? Giangreco said on the news last night that he blew it out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jun 3, 2006 -> 08:53 AM) Giangreco said on the news last night that he blew it out Carl Crawford (knee) is expected to return to the lineup Saturday. Crawford sat out Friday's game after injuring his knee while arguing with an umpire Thursday. "I thought I tore a ligament or something because of the way it felt," Crawford said. It may take Crawford a couple games to start running again. Jun. 3 - 10:51 am et Source: Tampa Tribune Consider your source.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 QUOTE(Jimbo @ Jun 3, 2006 -> 11:00 AM) Carl Crawford (knee) is expected to return to the lineup Saturday. Crawford sat out Friday's game after injuring his knee while arguing with an umpire Thursday. "I thought I tore a ligament or something because of the way it felt," Crawford said. It may take Crawford a couple games to start running again. Jun. 3 - 10:51 am et Source: Tampa Tribune Consider your source.... Well, it was right after it happened, and by the way he reacted and how he landed it sure looked like it was very possible that he blew out his knee. Consider Crawfordtalk.net to be back ONLINE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jun 3, 2006 -> 08:09 AM) That should be in green. I agree the bullpen needs to be tweaked, but I am now coming around on CF. Anderson needs to start hitting. As much as I have criticized Ozzie in the past, you can't blame him for PH Mackowiak, but Mack cannot play CF for any length of time. I was at a Patio Party last night and sat in the OF. Make no mistake about it, Matthews double is more than likely caught by Anderson. I would say Anderson's chances of making that play are at least 95%, its a play Rowand, with as deep as he plays and his total disregard for the wall would make at least 99% of the time. So that's at least 4 times this past week that having Mack in CF has cost the White Sox runs. That's not going to work, and neither is Anderson hitting .160. The rest of the guys except Uribe and occassionally Pods have been hitting out of their minds. It can't continue. Production is needed in CF as well as defense. If Anderson can't hit, Mackowiak isn't the solution. I too was at the game last night and i agree completely. We need a real CF *cough* Corey Patterson *cough* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 QUOTE(beck72 @ Jun 2, 2006 -> 05:47 PM) I'd be all ears for any bullpen guys out there who could help. But the asking price will be steep for even a mediocre late inning guy, esp. with all the injuries around baseball. The asking price will be steep for Carl Crawford as well. If the sox 'pen can hold their own until the playoffs, the sox add Garland to the mix. The Sox will have a difficult time making the playoffs in a competitive AL Central with this craptacular bullpen. I'd rather have Anderson's piss-poor hitting but great defense and reliable set-up man than Crawford and no help in the 'pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 QUOTE(WCSox @ Jun 3, 2006 -> 03:27 PM) The asking price will be steep for Carl Crawford as well. The Sox will have a difficult time making the playoffs in a competitive AL Central with this craptacular bullpen. I'd rather have Anderson's piss-poor hitting but great defense and reliable set-up man than Crawford and no help in the 'pen. ^^^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mansoo Posted June 4, 2006 Share Posted June 4, 2006 How about K. Griffey Jr. ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted June 4, 2006 Share Posted June 4, 2006 QUOTE(Mansoo @ Jun 3, 2006 -> 08:19 PM) How about K. Griffey Jr. ?? Where would he play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted June 4, 2006 Share Posted June 4, 2006 QUOTE(Mansoo @ Jun 3, 2006 -> 09:19 PM) How about K. Griffey Jr. ?? How about no? He's overpaid, injury prone, and old. Oh yea, and he's making money through 2024. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 4, 2006 Share Posted June 4, 2006 QUOTE(Felix @ Jun 4, 2006 -> 01:24 AM) How about no? He's overpaid, injury prone, and old. Oh yea, and he's making money through 2024. If JR's willing to pay his contract, then bring him on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted June 4, 2006 Share Posted June 4, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 3, 2006 -> 09:29 PM) If JR's willing to pay his contract, then bring him on. We'd end up paying him a ridiculous sum to sit on the DL. Its not really worth it in any sense, especially since his offense isn't really needed with Thome, Kong, and Dye in the middle of the order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 4, 2006 Share Posted June 4, 2006 QUOTE(Mansoo @ Jun 3, 2006 -> 08:19 PM) How about K. Griffey Jr. ?? I don't think its a question about money. I'm sure Cincinatti would pick up some of if not all post playing days obligation, but the deal last year included Chris Young. He gone, and the Reds are in a better position in the standings. The baseball people with Cincinatti probably would trade him in a heartbeat, but the business people aka ownership would be leary of letting him go, if he would even go. He would get hurt in no time though, and he can't get a breather at DH, so pass at this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSHAWKS Posted June 4, 2006 Share Posted June 4, 2006 Unless Carl Crawford can be our set-up man, he will not fix our problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted June 4, 2006 Share Posted June 4, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(Sox1422 @ Jun 1, 2006 -> 01:46 PM) Crawford has a great contract and the D-Ray's outfield is crowded. He should become available by the trade deadline. What do you think it would cost the Sox to get him? From what I hear the Rays want young pitchers. I honestly do not see any trades happening any time soon. I see Mackowiak playing centerfield a lot like he has been and Anderson getting in when he can to get back on track. I just don't see any other teams wanting to trade right now, and I don't see any outfielders for our team in the near future unless they are coming from AAA. Maybe a reliever via the waiver wire, or by the deadline, from teams out of the race. When is Hermy coming back and what was his initial injury? Edited June 4, 2006 by Beastly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted June 4, 2006 Share Posted June 4, 2006 QUOTE(Mansoo @ Jun 3, 2006 -> 08:19 PM) How about K. Griffey Jr. ?? From what I saw of him when the Reds played the Cubs last week, he looks like he slowed down A LOT. Mackowiak is probably just as good if not better in CF than what I saw of Griffey JR. last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted June 4, 2006 Share Posted June 4, 2006 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jun 3, 2006 -> 01:09 PM) That should be in green. I agree the bullpen needs to be tweaked, but I am now coming around on CF. Anderson needs to start hitting. As much as I have criticized Ozzie in the past, you can't blame him for PH Mackowiak, but Mack cannot play CF for any length of time. I was at a Patio Party last night and sat in the OF. Make no mistake about it, Matthews double is more than likely caught by Anderson. I would say Anderson's chances of making that play are at least 95%, its a play Rowand, with as deep as he plays and his total disregard for the wall would make at least 99% of the time. So that's at least 4 times this past week that having Mack in CF has cost the White Sox runs. That's not going to work, and neither is Anderson hitting .160. The rest of the guys except Uribe and occassionally Pods have been hitting out of their minds. It can't continue. Production is needed in CF as well as defense. If Anderson can't hit, Mackowiak isn't the solution. I'm one of the Anderson backers. But him hitting .160 [this season] won't cut it. Mack isn't a CFer and can't be trusted out there everyday. The only solution is BA hitting. If he doesn't, a trade should be looked into. Anderson has a high ceiling and should have a fine career in MLB. But if Crawford could play CF on an everyday basis, a deal shouldn't just be disregarded. If they made a deal for Carl, then Anderson could be dealt for bullpen help. The sox do need bullpen help. But other moves could be made as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted June 4, 2006 Share Posted June 4, 2006 QUOTE(WCSox @ Jun 3, 2006 -> 07:27 PM) I'd rather have Anderson's piss-poor hitting but great defense and reliable set-up man than Crawford and no help in the 'pen. In a perfect world, sure. But if BA doesn't hit, he'll probably be in AAA [though for a short stint to get a string of games and AB's under his belt]. The alternative is having Mackowiak in CF giving up a lot of runs. It's not like the sox would be unable to add a bullpen arm if someone like Crawford was available/ attained. I'm saying if the sox could add a guy who could fit into the sox short and long term plans [like a Crawford], they should look into it. With few "reliable set up men" available, though [LaTroy Hawkins and Guardado come to mind due to their big contracts and being FA's in 2007] the sox may need to look outside the box [like trading for a SP and converting them to set up, like Tony Armas, Jr.; or putting Lance Broadway/ Lumsden in relief]. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 For those of you still interested in what it would take to get Crawford; There has also been speculation of a deal that would send Ervin Santana to the Devil Rays for Crawford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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