gatnom Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Aug 4, 2011 -> 01:52 PM) BUT OZZIE AND RONGEY SAID ONE PLAYER DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE!!1111!!1!!!!11!! My favorite part about this is that Ranger's current line apparently is that had Dunn and Rios played like they were capable of the Sox would be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 QUOTE (gatnom @ Aug 4, 2011 -> 08:15 PM) My favorite part about this is that Ranger's current line apparently is that had Dunn and Rios played like they were capable of the Sox would be fine. Well if the iceburg hadn't been there, or if the ship had been equipped with enough lifeboats, the Titanic would've been fine, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 QUOTE (gatnom @ Aug 5, 2011 -> 03:15 AM) My favorite part about this is that Ranger's current line apparently is that had Dunn and Rios played like they were capable of the Sox would be fine. If Dunn and Rios were having balls-out all-star caliber seasons and Lexi and Beckham were getting a TON of clutch hits and taking the next big steps in their careers, yes we'd have been OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Don't know if this has been mentioned at all or if there's any draft picks that will be held over to next year do to not signing but we're currently 11th in draft order and 2 games back of the #8 Dodgers. But yeah, playoff push! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Aug 5, 2011 -> 04:38 AM) Don't know if this has been mentioned at all or if there's any draft picks that will be held over to next year do to not signing but we're currently 11th in draft order and 2 games back of the #8 Dodgers. But yeah, playoff push! I really think we can get into the 5-7 range Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 4, 2011 -> 10:41 PM) I really think we can get into the 5-7 range If so I pray hard slotting is introduced before the 2012 draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 For all those interested: 1. HOU 37-74 2. BAL 43-65 7.5 3. CHC 47-65 9.5 4. SDP 48-64 10.5 5. KCR 48-63 11 6. SEA 48-62 11.5 7. OAK 49-62 12 8. LAD 50-60 13.5 9. COL 51-60 14 10 MIN 51-59 14.5 11 CHW 52-58 15.5 12 WAS 53-57 16.5 13 CIN 54-57 17 14 PIT 54-56 17.5 15 FLA 55-56 18 16 NYM 55-55 18.5 We're closer to the #3 pick in the draft than we are the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 The NL is worse than I thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Aug 4, 2011 -> 10:48 PM) For all those interested: 1. HOU 37-74 2. BAL 43-65 7.5 3. CHC 47-65 9.5 4. SDP 48-64 10.5 5. KCR 48-63 11 6. SEA 48-62 11.5 7. OAK 49-62 12 8. LAD 50-60 13.5 9. COL 51-60 14 10 MIN 51-59 14.5 11 CHW 52-58 15.5 12 WAS 53-57 16.5 13 CIN 54-57 17 14 PIT 54-56 17.5 15 FLA 55-56 18 16 NYM 55-55 18.5 We're closer to the #3 pick in the draft than we are the playoffs. I'm just hoping the team doesn't go on a surge upon being eliminated from playoff contention. We all know Ozzie doesn't like to play the kids, even when his opponents all are. I will just keep my fingers crossed that they fall in the top 15 and get a protected pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Sucky game but man that was a blast. I was there in a suite because a vendor brought us in, and then won a raffle for a Paul Konerko signed jersey. Now I need to find a framing place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Aug 4, 2011 -> 10:48 PM) For all those interested: 1. HOU 37-74 2. BAL 43-65 7.5 3. CHC 47-65 9.5 4. SDP 48-64 10.5 5. KCR 48-63 11 6. SEA 48-62 11.5 7. OAK 49-62 12 8. LAD 50-60 13.5 9. COL 51-60 14 10 MIN 51-59 14.5 11 CHW 52-58 15.5 12 WAS 53-57 16.5 13 CIN 54-57 17 14 PIT 54-56 17.5 15 FLA 55-56 18 16 NYM 55-55 18.5 We're closer to the #3 pick in the draft than we are the playoffs. Woo, lets do it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 5, 2011 -> 05:16 AM) Woo, lets do it! So our great scouts can take a great second baseman prospect like Beckham? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 4, 2011 -> 11:30 PM) So our great scouts can take a great second baseman prospect like Beckham? Much better chance of not f***in up when you have the 3 pick compared to the 8th(in Beckham's case) or the 10th or the 15th, you get the picture... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 4, 2011 -> 11:30 PM) So our great scouts can take a great second baseman prospect like Beckham? Just so we're clear, you despise this entire organization sans ozzie, correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 I think only the White Sox organization - or more specifically, Greg Walker - can take a sure thing and make it worse. There is no reason that Beckham isn't one of the top 5 2B in the AL right now and there is no reason Dunn is hitting .160. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 4, 2011 -> 11:30 PM) So our great scouts can take a great second baseman prospect like Beckham? Beckham had tremendous trade value a year and a half ago, Sale currently has good trade value and the same could be said for any highly touted player we take in the top 10 next year. You can say a high draft pick has a good chance of busting, I say at the very least a high draft pick has good trade value within a year or 2 of being drafted if he puts up decent numbers in the minors kind of like #13 pick Brett Wallace (Matt Holliday) and #5 pick Drew Pomeranz (Jimenez). Not to mention Justin Smoak (Cliff Lee) and Zack Wheeler (Carlos Beltran) who were traded 2 years after being drafted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Aug 5, 2011 -> 04:35 AM) Just so we're clear, you despise this entire organization sans ozzie, correct? I'm just pissed Beckham is not developing at what I consider a good rate. He's good defensively which is nice I guess, but the man does not look like anything more than an average hitter. Second basemen as you know are a dime a dozen so to speak. Beckham may still be a top prospect but he's been underwhelming this year. His approach at the plate also concerns me. I think his batting approach is in contention for third worst on the team behind Rios and Dunn. He certainly projects as a worse player than Ray Durham at this point I would think and I liked Durham. I mean if he continues like this, who is Gordon Beckham - a Grudzalanec (sp)? Who? He does not look like an elite hitter to me. Can we just classify it as a bad year? Or that he's still learning? I hope so. Edited August 5, 2011 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatnom Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 4, 2011 -> 10:11 PM) If Dunn and Rios were having balls-out all-star caliber seasons and Lexi and Beckham were getting a TON of clutch hits and taking the next big steps in their careers, yes we'd have been OK. You don't see any hypocrisy in what Ranger is saying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 QUOTE (gatnom @ Aug 5, 2011 -> 05:00 AM) You don't see any hypocrisy in what Ranger is saying? Yeah I do. I was just adding my take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 4, 2011 -> 11:57 PM) I'm just pissed Beckham is not developing at what I consider a good rate. He's good defensively which is nice I guess, but the man does not look like anything more than an average hitter. Second basemen as you know are a dime a dozen so to speak. Beckham may still be a top prospect but he's been underwhelming this year. His approach at the plate also concerns me. I think his batting approach is in contention for third worst on the team behind Rios and Dunn. He certainly projects as a worse player than Ray Durham at this point I would think and I liked Durham. I mean if he continues like this, who is Gordon Beckham - a Grudzalanec (sp)? Who? He does not look like an elite hitter to me. Can we just classify it as a bad year? Or that he's still learning? I hope so. Thanks for not at all answering the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Aug 5, 2011 -> 05:11 AM) Thanks for not at all answering the question. I thought my answer showed I still like Beckham. I am just very "concerned." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Okay Greg.... With KW and Ozzie and Walker all still around, what percentage of faith do you have that Beckham will ever again look like the same hitter as 2008-2009 with the Chicago White Sox Professional Baseball organization? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 5, 2011 -> 07:16 AM) Okay Greg.... With KW and Ozzie and Walker all still around, what percentage of faith do you have that Beckham will ever again look like the same hitter as 2008-2009 with the Chicago White Sox Professional Baseball organization? I'm not confident at all. I see a guy with a weird batting stance with a hitch in his swing who doesn't find gaps anymore and makes a lot of outs and can't hit a high fastball. It's scary, really. He's not looking real good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawksfan61 Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 4, 2011 -> 11:41 PM) I really think we can get into the 5-7 range At this rate I would be shocked if we didn't. This team has completely packed it in, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't win 20 games the rest of the year, particularly since there are lots of games remaining against division opponents who have slapped us around this year (Twins/Royals/Tigers). Edited August 5, 2011 by hawksfan61 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 The last 4 games have been embarrassing. This team has given up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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