Reddy Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 11:47 AM) You mean like telling people they shouldn't care at all about the favorite players on their favorite team, even after 11 years? you really are a republican. let's get back to baseball, though, k? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 QUOTE (Reddy @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 10:54 AM) you really are a republican. let's get back to baseball, though, k? Typical left wing dodge move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 09:13 AM) Thank you. I can't believe people expected him to come out in 2011 and be back to full strength. This is the pattern with major surgeries for pitchers... he was injured in 2010, gone. 2011 was his rebuilding year, so he was inconsistent and struggled. It is that 2nd year after when pitchers tend to really get back closer to normal. That would be 2012 for Peavy. Of course it may not happen at all. But history says 2012 has a decent chance of being a decent year for Peavy. He'll probably be hurt before the end of May. If not, hopefully he's his old self and we can trade him for a nice prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 11:50 AM) He'll probably be hurt before the end of May. If not, hopefully he's his old self and we can trade him for a nice prospect. He'd have to be 13-1 with a 2.45 ERA or something of that ilk for a team to even consider him. And even then that's a huge stretch. Even at half a season, he'd still be owed roughly $12 million or so (that includes the $4 million dollar buyout). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Can't blame 56 for wanting to get paid. Thank you Mark for all the great memories! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Reddy @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 10:18 AM) your business is trolling a message board? ugh. I'm sorry for the life choices that brought you to this point. alright, you win. 87k posts and it took you that long!?!? Edited December 8, 2011 by Steve9347 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 10:47 AM) You mean like telling people they shouldn't care at all about the favorite players on their favorite team, even after 11 years? Way to change the statement. Of course you can care about the players. You shouldn't condemn them for doing something good for their careers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 01:15 PM) No words for this... my second favorite player ever (Frank of course is the first) and now he's gone. This was KW's doing here. Mark should have retired here. We all knew this was going to happen, but it really is a kick in the balls to officially see it. Gonna miss my favorite sox pitcher ever and a guy who has battled adversity all his career as a no name/stuff/chance 38th round pick. Phil Rogers' column says it all. This is on Kenny for bringing in stiffs Rios, Dunn and the injured Peavy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 02:02 PM) Phil Rogers' column says it all. This is on Kenny for bringing in stiffs Rios, Dunn and the injured Peavy. I prefer to blame Oney for starting the Kenny-Ozzie s***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 02:02 PM) Phil Rogers' column says it all. This is on Kenny for bringing in stiffs Rios, Dunn and the injured Peavy. Yes, that damn Kenny, he should have known that Dunn would have the worst year of his career and that Peavy's shoulder would randomly explode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 02:03 PM) He'd have to be 13-1 with a 2.45 ERA or something of that ilk for a team to even consider him. And even then that's a huge stretch. Even at half a season, he'd still be owed roughly $12 million or so (that includes the $4 million dollar buyout). If the sox have to chip in a good chunk of his contract to move him, they should do do as long as they save something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 04:02 PM) Phil Rogers' column says it all. This is on Kenny for bringing in stiffs Rios, Dunn and the injured Peavy. This is all on Ozzie for letting his team come into the season woefully unprepared 2 years in a row. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 02:56 PM) If the sox have to chip in a good chunk of his contract to move him, they should do do as long as they save something. Obviously this depends on the state of the team at that point. Obviously if someone is willing to take Jake, it means he's been pitching well. If he's been pitching well, that means the team might be winning. If the team is winning, it may not make sense to trade Jake just to save $5-6 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 FYI World's Greatest Manager Ozzie Guillen apparently can't name anyone on the Phillies roster... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 05:03 PM) Obviously this depends on the state of the team at that point. Obviously if someone is willing to take Jake, it means he's been pitching well. If he's been pitching well, that means the team might be winning. If the team is winning, it may not make sense to trade Jake just to save $5-6 million. If somehow the team is actually winning then Peavy could be holdable, since his contract ends. Dunn and Rios need to be moved of at all possible even if te team is winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 QUOTE (Cali @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 03:05 PM) FYI World's Greatest Manager Ozzie Guillen apparently can't name anyone on the Phillies roster... GOD HE'S A f***ING MORON. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 8, 2011 Author Share Posted December 8, 2011 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 04:12 PM) GOD HE'S A f***ING MORON. He'll be able to name them next year when his team finishes in 3rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 03:50 PM) If somehow the team is actually winning then Peavy could be holdable, since his contract ends. Dunn and Rios need to be moved of at all possible even if te team is winning. Really? I'm not so quick to give up on Dunn...I know, we've had this argument before. But I think he'll bounce back and be just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDo Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 06:30 PM) Really? I'm not so quick to give up on Dunn...I know, we've had this argument before. But I think he'll bounce back and be just fine. At the very least, it doesn't make sense to trade him when his value is literally the lowest it could possibly ever be. I don't know if he'll bounce back, but you'd gave to give up him AND a bag of balls AND a suitcase full of cash just to get a PTBNL, so you just ride it out. EDIT: I guess his value would be lower if he was dead, so maybe not literally. But close. Edited December 8, 2011 by ScottyDo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 I have a lot more faith that Dunn can turn it around than Rios actually playing like he gives a damn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 02:02 PM) Phil Rogers' column says it all. This is on Kenny for bringing in stiffs Rios, Dunn and the injured Peavy. I disagree. I don't think the Sox would give him a 4 year deal especially at that kind of money, at his age even without the other contracts. I wouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 I hope Buehrle does well, but I hope Ozzie and the Marlins tank. I want to see a collapse of epic proportions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 06:12 PM) I hope Buehrle does well, but I hope Ozzie and the Marlins tank. I want to see a collapse of epic proportions. This. I want Buehrle to go 33-0. And the Marlins win 33 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDo Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 07:49 PM) I disagree. I don't think the Sox would give him a 4 year deal especially at that kind of money, at his age even without the other contracts. I wouldn't. I tend to agree with you. But it may well have limited their ability to discuss contract extensions previous to free agency which could have wrapped him up at a more manageable salary. In the end, it's on KW for creating a team situation which requires a rebuild, no matter what aspect of the team you blame most. The GM ultimately has the most control over a team's destiny, aside from the players themselves. That said, my complaints are retrospective. I have no problem with the club's decision not to retain Buehrle at that rate, I just wish it wasn't so because I heart him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 8, 2011 -> 06:19 PM) This. I want Buehrle to go 33-0. And the Marlins win 33 games. I'd be cool with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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