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QUOTE (Reddy @ Dec 7, 2011 -> 03:35 PM)
he's not acting like a child. He's the better player, and they're asking HIM to move. All I'm saying is I'd be just as pissed.

 

and lets delve into the Tulo thing. I looked it up.

 

OPS+ Tulo: 118 HanRam: 132

WAR Tulo: 23.7 HanRam: 29.3

 

Hmm....

 

Only knock on Tulo is injuries. Outside of raw speed, Hanley really has nothing on him.

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QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 7, 2011 -> 04:43 PM)
I didn't ignore anything. 2007 (Tulo's rookie year) was a wash. Hanley was better in '08. Tulo has clearly been better the last three years.

I... I just don't even know how to respond to this logic. "Aside from all the statistics stating otherwise, clearly Tulo is the better player just because I say so" cool.

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QUOTE (Reddy @ Dec 7, 2011 -> 03:38 PM)
you seriously just ignored the numbers there didn't you... wtf??

You're trying to make a case for who's the better player NOW, what happened 4 years ago is basically irrelevant. Going off a basic 3 year window dating back to 2009 your leaders in WAR at the SS position are:

 

18.4 Tulo

13.2 Hanley

12.2 Jeter

11.6 Alexei

 

wOBA:

 

.396 Tulo

.374 Hanley

.355 Reyes

.348 Jeter

 

UZR/150:

 

6.0 Tulo

-7.3 Hanley

 

Better offensively, WAY better defensively. Tulo

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QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 7, 2011 -> 04:48 PM)
You're trying to make a case for who's the better player NOW, what happened 4 years ago is basically irrelevant. Going off a basic 3 year window dating back to 2009 your leaders in WAR at the SS position are:

 

18.4 Tulo

13.2 Hanley

12.2 Jeter

11.6 Alexei

 

wOBA:

 

.396 Tulo

.374 Hanley

.355 Reyes

.348 Jeter

 

UZR/150:

 

6.0 Tulo

-7.3 Hanley

 

Better offensively, WAY better defensively. Tulo

 

OK i pose it this way, why don't we look at the SAME 3 year window age-wise for each player? So Tulo's last 3 and Hanley's 3 years prior to 2011.

 

And I don't really have a site to do that on... lol, but point being, at the same age, the disparity is definitely not as drastic as you're making it out to be.

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I dont really see a market out there for PK right now. The teams that need a 1B are either cash strapped (LAD, SF, TBR, and TEX) or not really contenders (PIT, CHC, BAL, OAK, and HOU) and would not be in the market for a veteran.

 

What about Milw?

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