witesoxfan Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jan 14, 2014 -> 03:03 PM) Those are relievers, and not even closers at that. I'd be shocked if Coop hasn't been asked for input on whether or not to give a starting pitcher $100M+. Point being, I think the White Sox scouts find guys that they like that they feel Cooper can work with. They may consult him, but overall, his job is to turn the crap they give him into gold. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jan 14, 2014 -> 03:34 PM) I would guess and hope that they also consult Coop for high draft picks like Sale, Johnson, Beck, Danish etc. I hope so too. If they don't then they're crazy. That's like having the best mechanic in the county as a close personal friend or family member and then not even asking his advice before you run out and buy a new car. But that stuff still happens all time and you just have to wonder why. Why take on any large risk without first asking an expert who is already right there and perfectly willing and able to offer you free advice? I remember hearing both ends of the scale on this, i.e. Coop mentioned to Kenny that he wanted Matt Thornton, so Kenny got him Thornton. But Coop has also said he wasn't aware of a bunch of moves. He had no idea we'd traded for Edwin Jackson when it happened, but of course that doesn't mean that the Sox brass and Coop never had conversations about that hypothetical deal. I would hope that whenever the Sox have their offseason organizational meetings, when they look at potentially available pitchers on the FA and trade markets, if they target specific guys at that time then I hope they ask Coop for his opinion on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jan 14, 2014 -> 02:27 PM) Sox outbidding NYY/SEA on this would be a bad move. Could work out, but too risky for this team, IMO. especially when our original plan this off season is to spend some of the payroll savings in the scouting and latin american market to ensure long term success. Throwing 100+ million on this guy would be a bad move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 14, 2014 -> 11:31 AM) I agree. Get the next one. I think it's obvious to everyone on the board that the Axelrod signing was an indication that the Sox weren't getting Tanaka. Move on to the second best pitcher on the market. They will not sign a major free agent pitcher if it's not tanaka. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Jan 14, 2014 -> 03:44 PM) especially when our original plan this off season is to spend some of the payroll savings in the scouting and latin american market to ensure long term success. Throwing 100+ million on this guy would be a bad move. well, all good plans should have flexibility if a unique opportunity arises, so just ignoring him completely wouldn't be great IMO. If it's a realistic option and Sox brass think it's the right thing if the price is right than deviating is OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 QUOTE (dayan024 @ Jan 14, 2014 -> 03:19 PM) Phil Rogers @philgrogers 1h Here's the thing about @Dodgers and Masahiro Tanaka. They've gotten every player they wanted in Mark Walter era. Always bet the streak. That is some really bad gambling advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 14, 2014 -> 03:46 PM) They will not sign a major free agent pitcher if it's not tanaka. Oh I know. I'm glad they don't. The only one that is mildly interesting to me at all is Jimenez just because he has ace potential, but his floor is also very, very low and he's going to cost a ton. And again, I was just joking with that comment, given that Axelrod blows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jan 14, 2014 -> 03:48 PM) That is some really bad gambling advice. It's landed black 8 times in a row. You know it's going to land black again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jan 14, 2014 -> 03:34 PM) What's Kershaw's contract status? If he doesn't have a team friendly extension they are going to have to pony up major for him. In theory I agree with Rogers (gross to type that), but they may have to have another mega/record breaking deal with Kershaw soon if that's not already sewed up. The last rumor I came across was the Dodgers were trying to get Kershaw inked to a 300M life time contact that he turned down. http://www.faketeams.com/2013/12/29/525146...est-free-agency Funny thing is the Dodgers want to extend Ramirez too. Were talking crazy money here between Kershaw and Ramirez. This is why I have a hard time taking the Dodgers seriously with Tanaka rumors. Plus look at the big contracts they can't move ( Beckett, Kemp, Crawford etc.) to relieve some payroll space for Tanaka. I'm thinking the rumors about the Dodgers and Tanaka are coming from the Dodger camp to try and drive the price up on AZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 14, 2014 -> 03:54 PM) It's landed black 8 times in a row. You know it's going to land black again. Thats no sillier than assuming red is due. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Given the track record of Japanese pitchers coming to MLB, I would be really reluctant to go beyond 5 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Has anyone seen anything regarding Tanaka's preference for the AL, with the DH, or does he like to hit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Jan 14, 2014 -> 04:31 PM) Thats no sillier than assuming red is due. Of course, because it's going to land on green. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbs1969 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 For what is worth, the Sox called me today to ask if I wanted season tickets after not renewing for 2 years I told the ticket rep, I wanted to wait until the Tanaka thing played out and if he signed I just might. Her response: "I am hearing that exact same thing from so many people". Sign him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 I'm surprised there are that many fans tuned into the rumor mill on this, especially Sox fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian310 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 (edited) You would also get an infusion of Japanese fans at the games too. I went to a Sox Mariners game one year. The stadium was filled with Japanese people (most of which weren't even representing a baseball team). They went crazy whenever Ichiro came up to bat. They also had a Japanese reliever come into pitch and all of the people by my seats went crazy. Then Munenori Kawakaki came into the game to pinchrun and they got really excited for that too. They weren't really paying attention to the game and just laughing and having a good time with each other until a Japanese player was announced up to bat or pitch (or in this case too: run). Edited January 15, 2014 by chisoxfan310 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Has anyone seen anything regarding Tanaka's preference for the AL, with the DH, or does he like to hit Don't know about a preference, but he played in Japan's Pacific League, which uses a DH. He only has 42 career plate appearances in 7 seasons, with only 3 hits, no walks, and 4 sac bunts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 If Sox sign Tanaka, how much does the attendance increase? 15 starts at home probably means at least 5000 extra per game, especially if he does well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian310 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 QUOTE (oldsox @ Jan 14, 2014 -> 06:34 PM) If Sox sign Tanaka, how much does the attendance increase? 15 starts at home probably means at least 5000 extra per game, especially if he does well. Yeah and if we are doing well as a whole (let's be honest, we probably that good) but we would draw better on days he didn't start too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 QUOTE (oldsox @ Jan 14, 2014 -> 06:34 PM) If Sox sign Tanaka, how much does the attendance increase? 15 starts at home probably means at least 5000 extra per game, especially if he does well. If he, Sale and Quintana propel them into a pennant race, a lot more than that even. Tanaka is about as high risk/high reward as they come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...akas_agent.html Red Sox didn't meet with Tanaka, but talked with his agent. It's a big show of respect that the Sox met him in person and just didn't talk to his agent. They even flew out to meet him. Don't under estimate the effect that can have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 If J. R. was willing to support a team payroll of over $100 million for a couple of years, before the new TV money, why should anyone doubt that he would be willing to go there again? He's not getting any younger, and I'm sure that he sees an opportunity for the Sox to be "Chicago's team", while the Cubs rebuild. In a previous thread, I asserted that it was easier to assess the prospects of a pitcher than a hitter, largely because a pitchers velocity, movement and location can be accurately measured, unlike a hitter's ability to hit MLB level pitching, which can only be determined after facing it. Tanaka's stuff has been measured, metered and assessed to a sufficient degree to strongly indicate that he will be an "Ace" quality starter. If they gave a hitter, who had never faced U. S. professional competition 6 years and $68 Million, it shouldn't be difficult to assume that they would give a similarly untested pitcher, a long term deal at $20 Million per year, with an opt out after 4 or 5 years. The fact that Abreu has been acquired also increases the likelihood that the Sox are ready to compete, which also makes the gamble on Tanaka a better one than the gamble that had to be made on Abreu. Each additional piece of the rebuilding puzzle increases the prospects of this team to compete. Now that the Sox have added Garcia, Abreu, Eaton and Davidson, the acquisition of a big piece such as Tanaka makes more sense. Maybe J. R. and the front office are convinced that Tanaka would be the final significant piece to put this quick rebuild on the field ready to compete, and get the fan base excited. Hey, it would excite me. How about you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian310 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Dodgers are trying to extend Kershaw this week. That would be great if he got 300+ and it hopefully takes them out of Tanaka knowing they have to lock up Hanley too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (chisoxfan310 @ Jan 15, 2014 -> 08:50 AM) Dodgers are trying to extend Kershaw this week. That would be great if he got 300+ and it hopefully takes them out of Tanaka knowing they have to lock up Hanley too. You would think eventually the Dodgers have to start caring about money, but wouldn't it be awesome if JR was able to throw around money like that, and the Sox would be in on everyone all the time? Edited January 15, 2014 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 15, 2014 -> 09:21 AM) You would think eventually the Dodgers have to start caring about money, but wouldn't it be awesome if JR was able to throw around money like that, and the Sox would be in on everyone all the time? I'd honestly rather have our payroll than the Yankees or Dodgers. Having too much cash is how you get the A-Rod's of the world on your team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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