GreenSox Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Jul 18, 2015 -> 09:45 PM) Time to sell definitely. Shark for sure, DFA Conor, and only move Quintana if we can get a very good MLB ready hitter. I love Quintana but this lineup needs retooled bad. Bonifacio needs to be DFAd first. He can't hit and he can't field. Then beckham although he may be need to be held if they can trade Alexei, which I think they can( not go much). Gillaspie can hit better than the other guys and can play first if they can move Laroche. Edited July 19, 2015 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 18, 2015 -> 10:29 PM) Greg, I'm pretty sure you are going to be disappointed. Samardzija will get traded. Maybe even Alexei. I'd be shocked if Robertson, Melky, or LaRoche go anywhere though. Chairman wants to win in 2016 Lol - as opposed to what? Not wanting to win in 2016? Give me a break. Not to mention, but if "Chairman" is hanging his hat on the likes of Melky and LaRoche (one year older, btw) to fulfill this yearning of his next year, well, how's that working out for him so far in 2015? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 18, 2015 -> 11:38 PM) Agreed, you run the risk of making the only strength of the team (starting pitching) into a possible weakness and there's no guarantee you hit on the players received in the package. With the Sox likely to lose Samardzija soon/end of season, I would like to avoid a situation where you're relying on Rodon to be your #2 next season. Â I'm not so eager to trade him. But this offense is a f***ing disaster and needs fixed. Q is one of my favorite players. We've shown the ability to develop pitching not hitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 19, 2015 -> 12:27 AM) I just don't understand the rush on this board to trade Quintana for far less than he's worth. Â Who wants to sell Q for "far less than he's worth" I definitely think they should trade him but they need to get 2 starters + prospect( s) in return. Also one needs to be a C, SS or CF ( what I consider prime positions). If you can't get that you don't trade him. Edited July 19, 2015 by SCCWS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Jul 19, 2015 -> 12:02 PM) I'm not so eager to trade him. But this offense is a f***ing disaster and needs fixed. Q is one of my favorite players. We've shown the ability to develop pitching not hitting. Â but that cost control contract is the reason not too, that is unless another team will be willing to pay its weight i n gold, so to speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 19, 2015 -> 03:57 AM) While Melky has been hitting better, what team would want to take on his contract? Alexei is hitting .226 with a very noticeable decline with his defense. What team would want him?  LaRoche is a power hitting 1B/DH minus the power, hitting .219, strikes out a ton and under contract through 2016. What team would want him?  Talk about selling low to no bidders. If these guys were hitting, would we be so eager to trade them? Think about that...  I agree that Samardzija gets traded but I'd be willing to bet it will be for less than many Sox fans ( myself included) are hoping for.  While I'm fine with the idea of trading Robertson, I doubt the Sox are interested in trading him unless blown away and the same goes for Q who just last winter was considered " untouchable ".  So realistically were looking at trading Samardzija which will not retool the team. Take the best offer as long as the offer has more value than the comp pick and move on.  serious question, which team, at this time does not think LaRoche is on the decline. which team will have faith that he would rebound???? none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 19, 2015 -> 03:29 AM) Greg, I'm pretty sure you are going to be disappointed. Samardzija will get traded. Maybe even Alexei. I'd be shocked if Robertson, Melky, or LaRoche go anywhere though. Chairman wants to win in 2016 Â Â then just maybe he should not have stop the adding to the team. the sox was needing a 2-sp, and a 3b man. i don't they would have gotten a catcher. Â now, with these additions, who can say if the team would come out of the gate sucking??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 19, 2015 -> 08:18 AM) but that cost control contract is the reason not too, that is unless another team will be willing to pay its weight i n gold, so to speak. I understand that. But we need someone besides Abreu who can f***ing hit the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 19, 2015 Author Share Posted July 19, 2015 QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 19, 2015 -> 05:57 AM) Lol - as opposed to what? Not wanting to win in 2016? Give me a break. Not to mention, but if "Chairman" is hanging his hat on the likes of Melky and LaRoche (one year older, btw) to fulfill this yearning of his next year, well, how's that working out for him so far in 2015? Â Â The White Sox will not be trading guys like Melky and Robertson that they just signed. They tried to win in 2015. They'll add in the offseason and try to win again in 2016. Samardzija will most likely get moved. I could see a reliever or Ramirez go as well. My point to Greg was that there wasn't going to be some giant firesale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 19, 2015 -> 08:21 AM) serious question, which team, at this time does not think LaRoche is on the decline. which team will have faith that he would rebound???? none. None that I can think of. Â The way I see it is if these guys were hitting, the Sox would be winning more ball games and we would not want to trade them. Since they aren't hitting, now we want to trade them and retool the team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 19, 2015 -> 09:06 AM) The White Sox will not be trading guys like Melky and Robertson that they just signed. They tried to win in 2015. They'll add in the offseason and try to win again in 2016. Samardzija will most likely get moved. I could see a reliever or Ramirez go as well. My point to Greg was that there wasn't going to be some giant firesale. Â There won't be a fire sale but I can see a few guys moved and Conor DFA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Jul 19, 2015 -> 01:33 PM) I understand that. But we need someone besides Abreu who can f***ing hit the ball. Â i will caveat that with this, i am not against trading him, i would in a heart beat, but a team will need to pay..... i mean really pay to entice the org to make this move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 19, 2015 -> 02:06 PM) The White Sox will not be trading guys like Melky and Robertson that they just signed. They tried to win in 2015. They'll add in the offseason and try to win again in 2016. Samardzija will most likely get moved. I could see a reliever or Ramirez go as well. My point to Greg was that there wasn't going to be some giant firesale. Â and now add the unmovable contracts of danks for 1 more yr and adam l also for 1 more yr. that is what 30 mil. Â however the sox can get some kind of value if danks pitches every once in a while like he did on fri. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce_Blixton Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 This thread was just posted on Reddit detailing some alleged inside info into a possible Reds-Dodgers trade for Cueto. Interesting to use as a basis for Shark trade to the Dodgers. Â https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/...n_the_reds_and/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 QUOTE (Bruce_Blixton @ Jul 19, 2015 -> 01:25 PM) This thread was just posted on Reddit detailing some alleged inside info into a possible Reds-Dodgers trade for Cueto. Interesting to use as a basis for Shark trade to the Dodgers. Â https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/...n_the_reds_and/ Â That didn't make sense at all. I think I can go on saying that guy has no clue what he is talking about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Hamels and Cueto both struggled today, and there are rumblings Cueto is dealing with an injury. Now seems like a perfect time to get maximum value for Shark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Jul 19, 2015 -> 08:23 AM) There won't be a fire sale but I can see a few guys moved and Conor DFA. Â And so it is. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Today was probably the final nail in the sell coffin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedoctor Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 19, 2015 -> 09:20 PM) Today was probably the final nail in the sell coffin. Â yep. it's time. hope things start moving this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 (edited) Great time to sell. Sox fans were lead to believe that we would be competing for a playoff spot this season. Now we have to rely on the same general manager with the same book of excuses? I'm sorry but when you come out of a rebuild and screw up your on a short leash. What is he going to do this time? Ask us to be patient with another 2-3 years of crap baseball? Â Just like with Phil Emery and Marc Trestman last year. You start talking about competing you better get it done. There's no where to hide if you dont. Edited July 19, 2015 by Baron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 19, 2015 -> 10:30 PM) Great time to sell. Sox fans were lead to believe that we would be competing for a playoff spot this season. Now we have to rely on the same general manager with the same book of excuses? I'm sorry but when you come out of a rebuild and screw up your on a short leash. What is he going to do this time? Ask us to be patient with another 2-3 years of crap baseball? Just like with Phil Emery and Marc Trestman last year. You start talking about competing you better get it done. There's no where to hide if you dont.  Hahn's gotten a free pass for a terrible offseason (in terms of results on the field). He needs to win a few of these big trades going forward, as so far he doesn't have a lot to show at the big league level besides Eaton/Avi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 19, 2015 -> 04:44 PM) Hahn's gotten a free pass for a terrible offseason (in terms of results on the field). He needs to win a few of these big trades going forward, as so far he doesn't have a lot to show at the big league level besides Eaton/Avi. Â Yep exactly. I dont like that he's gotten a free pass because so far he hasnt shown that he can make this club into contender. His try put us right back into square 1. Why should we have faith that he's going to get it right the next time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 The trade speculation from the Chicago media and cub fans was funny already. Cannot wait to hear the s*** fly around now that the Sox lost 3/4 from KC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 I don't know who's really running this org. Is Hahn deciding who to acquire or is Williams, with Hahn executing the acquisitions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 19, 2015 -> 04:56 PM) I don't know who's really running this org. Is Hahn deciding who to acquire or is Williams, with Hahn executing the acquisitions? Â Â Well if you believe Kenny he's really not involved. Sounds like they are letting Hahn have the rope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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