BigHurt3515 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 09:20 PM) Anyone else think his swing is a mash of Gordon Beckham and Javier Baez? Or just me? Dude has some massive power. I hope he puts it together this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 03:24 AM) Dude has some massive power. I hope he puts it together this year actually i think i would be happy with him at 3b, trade for a young of'er and sign a big bat of'er. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Dude is all muscle and its easy to see why the ball jumps off his bat the way it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 He has potential still, but why don't the A's want him? Beane is a genius and he wants no part of him. I wonder if he'll be coachable or if as a No. 1 draft pick he'll be difficult for Robin. I'd feel better about this deal if he didn't have the reputation as a jerk and the fact Mr. Beane wanted to get rid of him so badly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 11:36 PM) He has potential still, but why don't the A's want him? Beane is a genius and he wants no part of him. I wonder if he'll be coachable or if as a No. 1 draft pick he'll be difficult for Robin. I'd feel better about this deal if he didn't have the reputation as a jerk and the fact Mr. Beane wanted to get rid of him so badly. Robins doing fine with Adam Eaton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 05:38 AM) Robins doing fine with Adam Eaton. I did not realize Eaton was a dick and/or uncoachable. I did not know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 10:36 PM) He has potential still, but why don't the A's want him? Beane is a genius and he wants no part of him. I wonder if he'll be coachable or if as a No. 1 draft pick he'll be difficult for Robin. I'd feel better about this deal if he didn't have the reputation as a jerk and the fact Mr. Beane wanted to get rid of him so badly. Beane also traded Donaldson for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 05:36 AM) He has potential still, but why don't the A's want him? Beane is a genius and he wants no part of him. I wonder if he'll be coachable or if as a No. 1 draft pick he'll be difficult for Robin. I'd feel better about this deal if he didn't have the reputation as a jerk and the fact Mr. Beane wanted to get rid of him so badly. if rep, his rumors problems whether it is real or not or embellish, that is of the past. he is starting a new chapter and should be judge by those new actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 12:02 AM) I did not realize Eaton was a dick and/or uncoachable. I did not know that. Well there was a lot coming from Arizona about him when we go him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 11:36 PM) He has potential still, but why don't the A's want him? Beane is a genius and he wants no part of him. I wonder if he'll be coachable or if as a No. 1 draft pick he'll be difficult for Robin. I'd feel better about this deal if he didn't have the reputation as a jerk and the fact Mr. Beane wanted to get rid of him so badly. Just curious if anyone knows if the A's have a guy they wanted to bring up in his spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconOnAStick Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 The A's dealt him because they acquired Jed Lowrie and Danny Valencia played well for them last year. The feeling was they could get more for Lawrie than Valencia. I really don't know what Beane is doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 11:41 PM) Well there was a lot coming from Arizona about him when we go him. Eaton is far from the cocky, rage-filled "bro" that Lawrie is. Just because they were both thought to be annoying to their teammates doesn't mean they were annoying for the same reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 02:50 AM) Eaton is far from the cocky, rage-filled "bro" that Lawrie is. Just because they were both thought to be annoying to their teammates doesn't mean they were annoying for the same reasons. I know that. I'm just saying Eaton had his "issues" according to the DBacks. I was just using him as an example of Robin being able to keep a young player in line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 10:46 PM) The A's dealt him because they acquired Jed Lowrie and Danny Valencia played well for them last year. The feeling was they could get more for Lawrie than Valencia. I really don't know what Beane is doing. I'm not even sure the feeling was they could get more for Lawrie. since Valencia had a very strong 2015. Lawrie was just the expendable one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 01:50 AM) Eaton is far from the cocky, rage-filled "bro" that Lawrie is. Just because they were both thought to be annoying to their teammates doesn't mean they were annoying for the same reasons. "Rage-filled bro"? What gives you that impression? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COACH612 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 12:06 AM) I recall one time he slammed his helmet down and it accidentally hit an ump but other than that I have no clue. I haven't seen anything that I can recall. At least Lawrie shows signs of life as compared to Ventura. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (Coach @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 06:51 AM) At least Lawrie shows signs of life as compared to Ventura. One is a 25 year old third basemen and the other is a 48 year old manager. Do you really expect or want them to act the same way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (woods of ypres @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 09:12 PM) Agreed. His defence seemed to slip once he was splitting time between second and third. Actually the opposite. His first 2 years he only played 3rd and his fielding % was .959. Then in 2014 he jumped up to .984 playing 2nd and 3rd. Last year he dropped back down again playing mostly 3rd. Maybe just playing 3rd and working w Robin can improve him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 The last page or so of this thread is amazing. Couple of guys jump in, throw around s***ty wrong stats, leave for good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 I view it this way: 1) He is a solid improvement at 3RD, over what we had last season. 2) His contract is very reasonable, for the next 2 years, and then Trey Michalczewzski can take his place 3) He has enormous upside, and could be a star 4) His acquisition did not cost any top prospects, or create any holes. There is no reason not to gamble on his character issues, which involve intensity and confidence. Those are positive attributes, even if he does seem to overdo both, at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (SCCWS @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 07:32 AM) Actually the opposite. His first 2 years he only played 3rd and his fielding % was .959. Then in 2014 he jumped up to .984 playing 2nd and 3rd. Last year he dropped back down again playing mostly 3rd. Maybe just playing 3rd and working w Robin can improve him. Please quit using fielding percentage as if it's a relevant stat. Even if you are going to use it please remember that 2nd and 3rd base are not equals. Last year the average fielding percentage for 2B was .984, for 3B it was .958. Of course his fielding percentage is going to increase the more he plays second. 3B is much harder to play, it requires much quicker reflexes and much longer throws than 2B does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (asindc @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 08:59 AM) Which years were those? 2006 through 2008, during ages 27-29. And that was merely the first example drunk me thought of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (Lillian @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 07:49 AM) I view it this way: 1) He is a solid improvement at 3RD, over what we had last season. 2) His contract is very reasonable, for the next 2 years, and then Trey Michalczewzski can take his place 3) He has enormous upside, and could be a star 4) His acquisition did not cost any top prospects, or create any holes. There is no reason not to gamble on his character issues, which involve intensity and confidence. Those are positive attributes, even if he does seem to overdo both, at times. I agree with all except number 3. 1,2 and 4 are good enough for me however. Teams don't go from 76 wins to playoffs without tremendous infusion of talent( unless they flukeishly underperformed to get 76, which the Sox didn't), young or old. Sox won't have tremendous infusion this year so save the young players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 I feel like the Sox did flukeishly underperform last year though. No one expected Samardzija, LaRoche, Garcia, Gillaspie, Sanchez, etc to be that bad. Even if they just played to their career averages, the Sox would've won 83-85 games last season IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 08:26 AM) I feel like the Sox did flukeishly underperform last year though. No one expected Samardzija, LaRoche, Garcia, Gillaspie, Sanchez, etc to be that bad. Even if they just played to their career averages, the Sox would've won 83-85 games last season IMO. I disagree. If Avi and LaRoche were to play 150 games this year, I think you would get very similar production, with maybe, just MAYBE, a very slight uptick from LaRoche, but I highly doubt it given he's only getting older. Same goes for Gillaspie if we had him playing 150 games at third this year. The only guy who I may agree with you is Sanchez, because he was a rookie, and let's be honest, you can only go up from those offensive numbers (which he did in the second half). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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