ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 What would you guys be comfortable paying for Gordon? I know he is going to want a 4th year. So I would be ok with 4 yrs/$76. That's $19M a year. He would need to be worth about 2.5-3 WAR per season. Steamer projects him at 3.5 WAR next year, and those are almost always conservative figures. He's been a 6 win player a few times, so to think he could have a 4-5 WAR season left in him may not be unreasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 (edited) The Royals would arguably go that high. The sticking point is that fifth year for them. LaRoche at 3 years older and at 1b/DH got $13.5 million and contracts have only escalated in the last year. We're talking about a perennial Gold Glove OF that's only 2 years removed from his prime. That's a fair and legitimate enough offer, but he will end up in KC or St. Louis at those numbers imo. Edited December 22, 2015 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black jack Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 QUOTE (daggins @ Dec 21, 2015 -> 07:57 PM) screw it, sign Gordon AND Upton This is where I'm at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Phil Rogers on MLBN suggesting Sox trade Robertson to fit one of the major OFs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 08:30 AM) Phil Rogers on MLBN suggesting Sox trade Robertson to fit one of the major OFs. I would hate that, this team can't afford to give up Robertson IMO. If you makes Jones the closer, everyone is forced to move up a spot and the entire pen is weaker as a result. The Sox need to find a way to add one of the big OFs without hurting the major league roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 08:30 AM) Phil Rogers on MLBN suggesting Sox trade Robertson to fit one of the major OFs. This wouldn't surprise me in the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 21, 2015 -> 10:47 PM) Impossible without trading Anderson or Fulmer...they'd probably ask for Anderson AND Adams to open up discussions, knowing Hahn won't deal Anderson/Fulmer together as a package. Enciarte had one good year in the minors; last year he had a high BA in the majors, but didn't walk and showed no power. the Sox treat such players like cheap chattel,and dump them for short term rents; but now they're supposed to trade top prospects for them? The Sox could have traded someone like Q for 3 or 4 Preston Tuckers or Enciartes. Just hope this NL slugger doesn't turn out like all the rest. As for the rotation, they are counting on Danks not to be Danks and for EJ to stick (which he very well may; but then again we've seen this show before) and no injuries. Behind them is zero. I like Gordon for a number or reasons, but his age is a concern. One of the reasons is that he might bring a level of maturity onto this team. Edited December 22, 2015 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 08:33 AM) I would hate that, this team can't afford to give up Robertson IMO. If you makes Jones the closer, everyone is forced to move up a spot and the entire pen is weaker as a result. The Sox need to find a way to add one of the big OFs without hurting the major league roster. In this scenario, trading Robertson frees up a lot of money. That might make them able to trade him for some young players and sign an outfielder. Who really need Robertson, though? Astros? They've got org. depth out the wazzu. That said, it would shock me if the Sox trade Robertson. That's just not the way they operate when they're going "all in". The push forward; don't nuance with side steps that might make them get even more forward. Edited December 22, 2015 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 21, 2015 -> 10:47 PM) Impossible without trading Anderson or Fulmer...they'd probably ask for Anderson AND Adams to open up discussions, knowing Hahn won't deal Anderson/Fulmer together as a package. Agreed and its likely another team is willing to give up more than the Sox. Like I said, wishful thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 08:30 AM) Phil Rogers on MLBN suggesting Sox trade Robertson to fit one of the major OFs. Phil Rogers is drunk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 08:57 AM) Phil Rogers is drunk 24/7/365 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 24/7/365 Well then, maybe he'll say something coherent on Feb. 29. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 09:03 AM) Well then, maybe he'll say something coherent on Feb. 29. let us mark our calenders and check Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez's Ghost Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 10:03 AM) Well then, maybe he'll say something coherent on Feb. 29. Or be really, really hungover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 his coherent words will probably be "Wait, I said WHAT??!?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 08:30 AM) Phil Rogers on MLBN suggesting Sox trade Robertson to fit one of the major OFs. Did he suggest trading him for Curtis Granderson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Astros already gave up a boatload for Giles. The latest MLB.com speculation about Gordon doesn't even have the White Sox as a mystery or surprise team...but does talk about KC, StL, SF, Baltimore, SF, the Angels, etc. Not a complete surprise, I guess. http://m.mlb.com/news/article/160176632/ma...gordons-suitors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 09:31 AM) Astros already gave up a boatload for Giles. The latest MLB.com speculation about Gordon doesn't even have the White Sox as a mystery or surprise team...but does talk about KC, StL, SF, Baltimore, SF, the Angels, etc. Not a complete surprise, I guess. http://m.mlb.com/news/article/160176632/ma...gordons-suitors I can give you 25 million reasons why their trade returns would look different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 The thread title definitely needs to be changed since there's almost nothing concrete linking Gordon and the White Sox... Certainly shouldn't be contributing to anyone getting their hopes up when there's almost no smoke at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted December 22, 2015 Author Share Posted December 22, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 09:34 AM) The thread title definitely needs to be changed since there's almost nothing concrete linking Gordon and the White Sox... Certainly shouldn't be contributing to anyone getting their hopes up when there's almost no smoke at all. Making you angsty he might actually leave your boys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 09:34 AM) The thread title definitely needs to be changed since there's almost nothing concrete linking Gordon and the White Sox... Certainly shouldn't be contributing to anyone getting their hopes up when there's almost no smoke at all. The tweets quoted say otherwise but thank you for your concern Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 So, there have been no posts asking if Gordon is about to sign with white sox and it has been here for a day and 100 posts. I think we're okay. Gordon Market Heating Up is not "Gordon signs with White Sox" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Dec 21, 2015 -> 06:30 PM) I'll be completely open & say, I'm not a fan of signing Gordon. Is he a good player? Yes. His age & limitations to LF don't really scream "smart signing" to me... Concur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Fangraphs: Avisail Garcia's Uncomfortable Situation Avisail Garcia is not hitting the ball far, and he’s not hitting the ball hard. He’s hitting the ball on the ground, and he’s past the age where that sort of thing improves noticeably. It’s nice that he sprays the ball, and that he looks like an athletic guy, but almost everything else points to an uncomfortable situation for the young Chicago outfielder. If the White Sox don’t get an upgrade in the outfield this season, and Garcia doesn’t change his batted ball mix in the upcoming season, we will hear these rumors all over again next offeason, except there won’t be anyone wondering about what Garcia can do for them anymore. Relevant, because some suggest it would be acceptable to waste more plate appearances and more innings on Avisail Garcia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 QUOTE (shysocks @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 10:14 AM) Fangraphs: Avisail Garcia's Uncomfortable Situation Relevant, because some suggest it would be acceptable to waste more plate appearances and more innings on Avisail Garcia. Unfortunately the bigger issue is why the white sox can't correct issues in the offensive side of player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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